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Originally posted by The_Dunedan
Ok Darkblack, cut the crap. As someone who has trained in My-Jhong Law Horn Kung Fu ( Sifu Don Perry, Sihung GM Johnny Lee, Sigong Yi Yi Ting ) and with handguns, I can come down on both sides. There are situations where my MA training will get me out of the mess, and there are situations where it won't. For those situations where it won't, I carry a pistol.
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Show me where I posted that I am not in agreement with you? My first post on this entire thread is up about 8 posts on this last page. I only posted once I noticed someone had brought up my name and only posted to warn the people arguing on MA side to not bother.
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These situations are more common than you apparently think; if the assailant is more than 1 meter or to away, he is out of range of any applicable MA technique, and only a pistol, employed quickly and accurately, will do the job.
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So you really believe that you can draw a gun before the guy pointing a gun at you can fire at you? Trust me, you cannot.
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At extreme close range, ie grappling range, getting to the pistol becomes difficult, and MA training is definitely a plus. However, the final, deciding factor nearly always comes down to this; who posesses greated firepower, and the ability to employ it. Kung Fu is fine for me; I'm 21, male, and in good condition. However, what about the 60-year-old grandmother? What about women in general, most of whom lack the skeletal muscle mass to effectively employ MA against a ( probably ) male assailant who will ( probably ) outweigh them by 60lbs or more, and ( almost definitely ) have more than double their skeletal muscle on a pound-for-pound basis? There are female martial artists who could resist such an attack ( Laura Truly, Gini Lau, etc etc ) but they are VERY rare.
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I disagree. I train women how to get out of these situations alive. They use their speed to negotiate strength differences. A 60 year old woman is not going to be able to pull a gun on a guy that just grabbed her from behind and is forcing her into a car. She will be able to reach down and eagle talon his sack and rip it upwards causing him to release one arm to grab her striking hand. That gives her an out to go for the eyes with dragon in search of pearl and then run away yelling for help. Or if she has a gun, she can then pull her gun and put a few slugs in the guy...
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I am also someone who has, as you put it, turned my body into a weapon, and a very efficiant one at that. But I also know that I may one day be faced with a situation in which my own life, or the life of another person, depends on my ability to shoot quickly, accurately, and without hesitation. I've known people it's happened to, including more than one rape victim who would have been spared such indignity by the posession and use of a pistol. In all but one case, these were small women who would have had little or no hope of fending off an attacker using MA techniques; the size/weight/muscle mass ratios were too skewed. I've fought people who had that kind of advantage on me; I KNOW what that feels like. When you're THAT out-weighed and out-reached, the only thing you can hope for is for your opponent to get stupid. If he doesn't oblige you, you're capital-S Screwed.
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I disagree. That’s really all I can say. My teachers wife is about 100 pounds and she can kick the crap out of most men. I would put her against any rapist anyday.
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I also resent your comments to the effect that skill with firearms is lazy in comparison to skill at MA.
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I made these comments because of comments made about the ninja wannbe's and the Bruce lee wannabes. It was a rebuttal to the original attack. I know not all gun owners are lazy couch potatoes but the ones in my area are and I use them as a generalization. I was not trying to hurt anyones feelings and I apologize.
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Again, as someone who's fairly decent with both, bullcrap. Ask Jeff Cooper or Ab Topperwein or Jack O'Connor or Carlos Hathcock how long it took them to get as good as they are/were; how many thousands of hours and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition. How much practice, how many guns worn out and replaced. Being skilled with a firearm requires just as much practice; it simply requires a different -kind- of practice.
This kind of prattle reminds me of the Martial Artists you see on television every now and again who claim to be able to stop, dodge, or otherwise negate bullets. Not physically possible. Even Qigong can't negate physics. I've seen guys do some pretty incredible things, but if you're stupid enough to argue with a bullet, you deserve whatever you get.
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Again, I have never claimed to be able to dodge a bullet. I have claimed though that I can disarm someone in hands reach of me. All I have said in this thread is that people that argue that MA is best will get made fun of and ridiculed by you all and you have proven this true. I have not said in this thread anything negative about guns yet the attacks and accusations have been thrown around toward me. No biggy.
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Originally posted by JimmyTheHutt
Hey, why should I bother wasting my mental faculties, when it's pretty clear you haven't been?[quote]
Hehe good one.
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Talk about taking yourself too seriously...
Blanket generalizations and now labels! When you turn ignorant, you really don't fool around do you?
I read the thread and made comments when I felt I had something to add. I may not have wasted the colossal amount of time on this that you have, but, hey, sometimes the rest of us have other things to do.
Sorry I couldn't devote every single moment in my life to trying to prove an impossible point to people I don't even know....
Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt
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Again, I don't think you read this thread....I never devoted my every single moment of my life trying to prove an impossible point to people I don't even know....
I come to this community to discuss things and most of the board is moderated to allow such debates to go one. This one on the other hand isn't really. I really don't see where you are coming from with your attack because you have not addressed anything I have said in this post. Maybe you have mistaken someone else’s comments on page 1 or 2 for me. Wasn't me bro.
Anyway I don't want to argue. You have your gun. I have my martial arts. Let us hope that neither of us has to ever use what we have on another person.
Have a good one.