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Nisses · 10-22-2003, 02:36 PM

the point of this discussion is usually that it runs away with both parties and leads them on a tanget so far they can't remember how they started in the first place.

Darwinism speaks of survival of the fittest. Which means there is a role to be filled, with certain requirements. If you are most fit to fulfill that role, you will survive as a species. No idea what individual animals/people will do, but that's not the point. Darwinism tells us how all kinds of live can likely have evolved and backs it up with some credible evidence. It has the flaw that it starts with life. It doesn't explain life itself.

So did God create life? If we go by remnants left in the earth, we can see he did not directly create it. We can recreate alot of basic carbon-strings that might easily lead to RNA and DNA strings eventually, even in an everyday lab. Does that mean there is nothing at all special? I don't know that for sure. Where does the Big Laboratory come from? Big Bang? Contracting and expanding universe? Fine. Where did those come from then? Separate black holes exploding? Fine, where did the whole of it come from then?

We don't know. We can only logically deduct things. Empirical evidence of what came before that, can't be found, since according to all our standards there wasn't any *time* or space before that period.

ie. At present our science has no explanation for it. They can't say what came before that. All they tell us, has as much value as what the Bible tells us.

So you might as well believe it was God that created the universe or even Joe Pesci.

Somehow this universe came to exist and what happened before the very first millisecond, is beyond our grasp.

I'd call that super-natural.

10-22-2003, 02:36 PM	#53 (permalink)
Nisses Shade Location: Belgium	the point of this discussion is usually that it runs away with both parties and leads them on a tanget so far they can't remember how they started in the first place. Darwinism speaks of survival of the fittest. Which means there is a role to be filled, with certain requirements. If you are most fit to fulfill that role, you will survive as a species. No idea what individual animals/people will do, but that's not the point. Darwinism tells us how all kinds of live can likely have evolved and backs it up with some credible evidence. It has the flaw that it starts with life. It doesn't explain life itself. So did God create life? If we go by remnants left in the earth, we can see he did not directly create it. We can recreate alot of basic carbon-strings that might easily lead to RNA and DNA strings eventually, even in an everyday lab. Does that mean there is nothing at all special? I don't know that for sure. Where does the Big Laboratory come from? Big Bang? Contracting and expanding universe? Fine. Where did those come from then? Separate black holes exploding? Fine, where did the whole of it come from then? We don't know. We can only logically deduct things. Empirical evidence of what came before that, can't be found, since according to all our standards there wasn't any time or space before that period. ie. At present our science has no explanation for it. They can't say what came before that. All they tell us, has as much value as what the Bible tells us. So you might as well believe it was God that created the universe or even Joe Pesci. Somehow this universe came to exist and what happened before the very first millisecond, is beyond our grasp. I'd call that super-natural. __________________ Moderation should be moderately moderated.