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Old 10-20-2003, 09:29 AM   #41 (permalink)
Sun Tzu
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"Beep Beep" Yes I read it. I included that for a reason, I should have done a post for it alone, but I feel addresses what this thread is about.
If you go back to any of my posts I always provide sources from both sides with opposing views. IMO it provides a better foundation for discussion then hunting for agreement sites which never gets a point across to those that its intended for. Ofcourse they never do anyway.

I see interpretation being what one reads; divided by what they witness with the main senses of observation; sight and hearing. I'll give you my take on Yael's tidy explanation.

The second quote I posted, many mistake for this (whether intentional or not who knows)

http://world.std.com/~camera/docs/alert/geyer2.html


Tell me what your interpretation of this excerpt is:


After AD 70, the Jews lost their land politically but they still maintained a presence in the land despite foreign control by the Romans, Ottoman Turks, the Crusaders, the Turks, and then the British. The land of Israel was under foreign control and was never made into an independent nation until 1948.

The term "Palestinian" is confusing because before 1948, this term not only referred to Arabs but to Jews as well as Christians living in the region of Palestine. It is peculiar that the "Palestinian" identity of the Arabs in Israel did not emerge until 1968; 20 years after Israel became a nation. If Palestinians, who supposedly have a right to the land, are correct then why did they wait 20 years to simply confirm their identity? The fact is there is no such thing as a Palestinian nationality.

Facts will prove that even some "Palestinian" leaders are not Palestinians as they so claim. Look at the nationality of Yassir Arafat. He is not a Palestinian for he was born in Cairo, Egypt even though he has claimed he was born in Jerusalem.

What about the refugee problem concerning the Palestinians? The facts are when Israel became a nation in 1948; the Arab nations told the Arabs living in Israel to flee because they believed that they would have a quick victory over the Jews. This never happened and these so-called refugees had no homes. But the facts are that the total number of refugees are inflated as many Arabs flooded into Israel after 1948 and they were counted as refugees. Also while the number of refugee births was taken, the number of refugee deaths was not. Even now the Palestinians will not allow a census to be taken of the refugees.

Another group of refugees that we neglect to look into are the Jewish refugees who left vast amounts of wealth and property behind in Arab nations (which Arab nations confiscated) in order to flee to their beloved Israel where they knew that they would receive a better life there instead of being a discriminated minority in Arab nations.

Arab nations have the full capabilities of taking in Palestinian refugees and assimilating them into their nations but they refuse to do so (except Jordan). These refugees are simply used as pawns by their own brothers - the Arabs in order for this refugee problem to a thorn in Israel's side. Arab nations know that the world will look with disdain over Israel's supposed "maltreatment" of refugees. If Israel is being a little hard on the refugees, this is minimal compared to the centuries of brutality that the Jews suffered at the hands of Muslims.


What are your thoughts on this organization:

http://www.ict.org.il/

Lastly what are you thoughts to the second part of my previous post.
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