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taog · 10-15-2003, 02:05 PM

I thought i would stir up some more of this bowling for columbine thing

I have watched the movie a couple times again, since it is on PPV now... yep.. i'm using direct TV and i am in canada... muhahaha

Anyway, I just read a lot of one of the articles that is against Michael Moore and bowling for columbine

it's this article http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

This person also leaves out a lot of stuff.

I can honestly say that i don't really know much about the facts for a lot of it, and i am quite dissapointed that Moore did edit a lot of shit to make it fit, but the canadian link for homicides and such is incosistant as well.. http://www.hardylaw.net/canada.html

first of all, a lot of canada (the big cities) have huge differences between classes. In the city i live in, you either go to university, you are poor, or you are rich. There is basically no middle class, and it's a fairly large city with over 300,000 people. There are very few homicides. And for the people who believe that the 'mixed ethnicity' has soemthing to do with homicides, London has quite the mixed ethnicity. Basically if you take canada and take the ratio of race and wealth and everything, London (where i live) is a small version of canada, which is why it is the 'test' city, where everything gets tested first to see if it will make it in the marketplace. So, it's pretty safe to assume that you can take this city as a good example of how canada as a whole acts.

It also says that rural areas basically make up canada. This is also untrue. Sure, there may be more rural areas in canada than the states, but a hell of a lot of the population makes up for big cities. The most populated provinces are Ontario and Quebec. Look at the size of montreal, toronto, ottawa, london, hamilton, and many others. Most of them have more than 100,000 people, and the amount of homicides is still very very low.

Given that homicides in canada are going up and a great rate, i also blame this on a lot of the media that is being fed to canada. A lot of people here now watch direct tv, from the states, which means the news and everything else. I do have to say that the difference between Canadian news and the news from the states is huge. Every time i turn on CNN or FOX or any other major news station, it's always about what is happening with some war, or who killed who, or whatever. The commercials are much different as well. Canadian TV now gets CNN and Fox news, and american commercials.

The Canadian news channels are almost exactly as Moore shows, with speed bumps being the breaking news or whatever. That would have been a local news channel for a small rural area that he was looking at, but it does get the point across.

However, more and more of canadian media is starting to look like the media and news in the states, and our homicide rates are going up. I know that this doesn't mean that this is the reason for it, but it sure is something to look into and it is interesting.

Also, when i was a kid i remember watching a real Canadian news channel at my cottage one day. I always had american TV, since we have had one of those olde school satellite dishes since i was 2 years old. I remember falling in love with the canadian news, because it was stuff that was going on around me in my area and my country. It somehow made me feel important.

This could also be a reason why the media might not have that big of an effect on canadians, since most of them might realise that the media and news they watch about homicides in another country, aren't here.

Anyway, i don't like the things that this guy left out about canada, as i didn't like the things michael moore left out about canada.

Also, it is possible to purchase some ammunition in some walmarts in canada. Sure, most of them dont sell it, but a lot of them do, when they are near hunting areas. I know that you cannot purchase handgun ammunition or anything like that, but you might be able to purchase shotgun ammunition. I don't know exactly what you can purchase, but i know you can legally purchase some without a licence. This guy said that you can't purchase any and probably only wrote down part of what was said about the buying of ammunition.

Michael Moore did make it seem like you can go into any walmart in canada and purchase any bullets you want, and as many as you want, when in fact you can't, but you can purchase some type of ammunition.

Then this guy says you can't purchase any legally.

They both distort the truth. Neither can be trusted.

Also, when i have time, regarding this page.. http://www.hardylaw.net/rates.html

i am going to figured out the approx. values for the real ratios, instead of beating around the bush like both moore and this guy do.

10-15-2003, 02:05 PM	#64 (permalink)
taog Crazy Location: London, Ontario, Canada	I thought i would stir up some more of this bowling for columbine thing I have watched the movie a couple times again, since it is on PPV now... yep.. i'm using direct TV and i am in canada... muhahaha Anyway, I just read a lot of one of the articles that is against Michael Moore and bowling for columbine it's this article http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html This person also leaves out a lot of stuff. I can honestly say that i don't really know much about the facts for a lot of it, and i am quite dissapointed that Moore did edit a lot of shit to make it fit, but the canadian link for homicides and such is incosistant as well.. http://www.hardylaw.net/canada.html first of all, a lot of canada (the big cities) have huge differences between classes. In the city i live in, you either go to university, you are poor, or you are rich. There is basically no middle class, and it's a fairly large city with over 300,000 people. There are very few homicides. And for the people who believe that the 'mixed ethnicity' has soemthing to do with homicides, London has quite the mixed ethnicity. Basically if you take canada and take the ratio of race and wealth and everything, London (where i live) is a small version of canada, which is why it is the 'test' city, where everything gets tested first to see if it will make it in the marketplace. So, it's pretty safe to assume that you can take this city as a good example of how canada as a whole acts. It also says that rural areas basically make up canada. This is also untrue. Sure, there may be more rural areas in canada than the states, but a hell of a lot of the population makes up for big cities. The most populated provinces are Ontario and Quebec. Look at the size of montreal, toronto, ottawa, london, hamilton, and many others. Most of them have more than 100,000 people, and the amount of homicides is still very very low. Given that homicides in canada are going up and a great rate, i also blame this on a lot of the media that is being fed to canada. A lot of people here now watch direct tv, from the states, which means the news and everything else. I do have to say that the difference between Canadian news and the news from the states is huge. Every time i turn on CNN or FOX or any other major news station, it's always about what is happening with some war, or who killed who, or whatever. The commercials are much different as well. Canadian TV now gets CNN and Fox news, and american commercials. The Canadian news channels are almost exactly as Moore shows, with speed bumps being the breaking news or whatever. That would have been a local news channel for a small rural area that he was looking at, but it does get the point across. However, more and more of canadian media is starting to look like the media and news in the states, and our homicide rates are going up. I know that this doesn't mean that this is the reason for it, but it sure is something to look into and it is interesting. Also, when i was a kid i remember watching a real Canadian news channel at my cottage one day. I always had american TV, since we have had one of those olde school satellite dishes since i was 2 years old. I remember falling in love with the canadian news, because it was stuff that was going on around me in my area and my country. It somehow made me feel important. This could also be a reason why the media might not have that big of an effect on canadians, since most of them might realise that the media and news they watch about homicides in another country, aren't here. Anyway, i don't like the things that this guy left out about canada, as i didn't like the things michael moore left out about canada. Also, it is possible to purchase some ammunition in some walmarts in canada. Sure, most of them dont sell it, but a lot of them do, when they are near hunting areas. I know that you cannot purchase handgun ammunition or anything like that, but you might be able to purchase shotgun ammunition. I don't know exactly what you can purchase, but i know you can legally purchase some without a licence. This guy said that you can't purchase any and probably only wrote down part of what was said about the buying of ammunition. Michael Moore did make it seem like you can go into any walmart in canada and purchase any bullets you want, and as many as you want, when in fact you can't, but you can purchase some type of ammunition. Then this guy says you can't purchase any legally. They both distort the truth. Neither can be trusted. Also, when i have time, regarding this page.. http://www.hardylaw.net/rates.html i am going to figured out the approx. values for the real ratios, instead of beating around the bush like both moore and this guy do. Last edited by taog; 10-15-2003 at 02:12 PM..