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Sounds to me like your suggesting we should really consider extending the line when it comes to legal murder, where as I'd like to narrow it. So you tell me where you'd like it drawn. I certainly wouldn't extend the option to commit murder to a 14 year old scared little girl.
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You'd like to narrow it to fit in with only your narrow viewpoint, you thik it is allright if the scared girl is a criminal or in a warzone right? C'mon where did i say anything about killing scared girls??? Where the hell do you get that? Jesus christ, why don't you convolute yourself a way to compare me to hitler? If you think your position has merit why do you have to resort to such hysterical and irrelevant comparisons?
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The endangerment of the future you or your girlfriend have is not in my opinion a matter of societal benefit and certainly not an excuse to "kill" another child
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Maybe you should define societal benefit beyond the definition "what mathew330 thinks is right for other people to do". Society benefits because there would be one less person sucking up resources both from the welfare system and from its mother and my ability to maximise our generation of resources. Of course we're just a drop in the bucket, but a part of the bucket nontheless.
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And since you evidently agree it's murder, and just want to justify it by showing how will benefit society let me offer you this:
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Had you been paying attention more carefully you would know that i currently do not believe that it is murder, i am just wondering why you don't respect all human life with equal gusto.
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"there is no correlation between unplanned pregnancies and the subsequent abuse of the children - in fact, it is most often the wanted children who are abused. For instance, a study of 674 battered children in California found that 91% of the children were wanted, compared to 63% for the control groups nationally. [6] I have not yet seen a study (and I have read a large amount of pro-choice material) that correlates the two.
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Very good. Is that supposed to be relevant to anything i said? I brought up welfare. How many aborted fetuses are on welfare? None. How much of a drain on society is it for everyone else to have to contibute more than their share to help raise a child born to parents who are unable to provide enough food for their children?
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I'm paying perfect attention, I just can't believe I have to articulate the difference between the above example, and a situation where the frickin world democracy is at stake by a whacko dictator, and the congress and president of the United States decide to go to war where people will die. Or a long drawn out trial lasting years where a jury finds you guilty and a judge sentences you to death.
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Don't hurt yourself you still haven't really articulated anything along those lines.
Pay attention: We, as a society, make certain exceptions to our belief in the fundamental right each person has to live. That exception seems to come into play when it is in society and/or the individual's best interest for someone to die.
We kill criminals because we believe they are unredeemable. Some are actually innocent, but this fact hasn't invalidated the practice. They are of no use to us and would probably have a negative effect if allowed back in the mix. If it was about punishment we'd let them rot for the rest of their lives, death is getting off easy. Society benefits-killing is okay.
We go to war to protect(allegedly)our way of life. Some wars are just, some aren't, this hasn't invalidated the practice. In wars, people die. We justify the deaths of soldiers and civilians, the civilians are probably just as innocent as developing fetuses(feti?) because we go to war for the good of everyone(sometimes) in society. Society benefits(maybe)-killing is okay.
We have abortions. Some are the result of a careful evaluation of options, some aren't, still doesn't invalidate the practice. Maybe you'll dig up some statistics that claim otherwise, but right now lets go with what seems like common sense- bad people come from bad situations. Having people who are unprepared physically, emotionally, and financially to raise children raise children is generally a bad idea. I'm not saying adversity can't be overcome, just that it is against the odds for adversity to be overcome. I am better off when people have the option to abort, so are you. Unless you think more children should be brought into the world with parents who are hooked on some sort of narcotic, or unable to raise a child without neglecting it or abusing it. Abortion gives people the option to opt out if they know or suspect that they might not be capable of providing a child with proper care. Society benefits-"killing" is okay.