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chavos · 10-09-2003, 02:03 PM

i never said the ACLU is non-partisan. But they do have a good break down of the possible and current effects of the patriot act, regrardless of if you agree with their larger agenda.

1st ammendment: Press is being barred from immigration hearings, the existance of such hearings is now classified. This abrogates the public's right to know.

4th: Black bag searches and searches conducted under executive and not judicial authority threaten our right to privacy from unreasonable searches.

5th, 6th, 8th: Right to private communications with counsel is being taken away in many cases. Citizens or resident aliens can be held as enemy combatants with out legal represntation, and may be subject to military tribunals.
There is no limit on how long a person may be held incommunicado. Judicial oversight over these proceedings is non-existant.

Those would be my primary concerns with the bill...and i'd say that presents a pretty serious assault to constitutional liberties as understood prior to the passage of patriot. Is that shredding? That's probably over inflammatory...but it is a serious issue.

10-09-2003, 02:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
chavos Banned Location: St. Paul, MN	i never said the ACLU is non-partisan. But they do have a good break down of the possible and current effects of the patriot act, regrardless of if you agree with their larger agenda. 1st ammendment: Press is being barred from immigration hearings, the existance of such hearings is now classified. This abrogates the public's right to know. 4th: Black bag searches and searches conducted under executive and not judicial authority threaten our right to privacy from unreasonable searches. 5th, 6th, 8th: Right to private communications with counsel is being taken away in many cases. Citizens or resident aliens can be held as enemy combatants with out legal represntation, and may be subject to military tribunals. There is no limit on how long a person may be held incommunicado. Judicial oversight over these proceedings is non-existant. Those would be my primary concerns with the bill...and i'd say that presents a pretty serious assault to constitutional liberties as understood prior to the passage of patriot. Is that shredding? That's probably over inflammatory...but it is a serious issue.