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Old 10-09-2003, 11:41 AM   #26 (permalink)
chavos
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Ustwo:

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Which parts again? About the only people that can be really targeted are non-citizens. I don't remember the constitution protecting non-citizens.
Not true on both accounts.
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The description in the Fourteenth Amendment of any person within the jurisdiction of the United States includes aliens. Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356
http://www2.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/...group+f_aliens!3A%5D/doc/%7Bt12652%7D/hit_headings/words=4/pageitems=%7Bbody%7D?

Nor is there any distinction that Patriot enabled searches, wiretaps, or investigations could only be targeted on immigrants. Indeed, such provisions would surely be regarded as unconsitutional.

Edit: On further review: there are some provisions that are even more harsh on immigrants...but the bulk of the bill applies to citizens and aliens alike.
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=11813&c=207

So...
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At least be intellectually honest when you argue. If you don't like the patriot act because you fear it will lead to something worse fine, but state it as your initial argument, don't try to get away with an outrageous statement and wait for someone to call you on it.
Yeah. I agree. Be intellectually honest and well informed when you argue, and don't rely on the opposition to check your facts.

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