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Old 10-08-2003, 02:29 PM   #17 (permalink)
filtherton
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Reading is fundamental. Show me where I said I hated Clinton? You may wish to believe that's my motivation and that's your choice. Personally, I take great offense to those who cheat the system. Whether it's people scamming insurance companies to those who blatantly lie under oath. Deception is certainly a part of politics and again, point to where I said it wasn't?
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You point to the term "Bush haters" being used against anyone that criticizes him yet look at how you started your post? You claimed I was a Clinton hater. Pot, kettle, etc.
First off, i wasn't talking to you specifically^^. I post for lurkers too. I was talking to any number of people who post on this board who have claimed or implied that they dislike(hate seems accurate) clinton only because he lied. That's my fault, but i guess since reading IS fundamental, tell me where i said your name at all? Where did i quote you? I was talking to every person who now conveniently labels clinton's dishonesty as their reason for disliking him.



Maybe hate is too strong a word to apply to you, but this:
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very few Republicans gave a damn that Clinton was having sexual escapades. Having them with an intern and lying about it under oath is what pissed people off.
seems like bullshit to me. Maybe this is what you believe, but i doubt that most republicans agree with you. Unless the minority that hate him for his BJ recieving qualities are the only ones who i see on TV and talk to.

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All politicians probably do lie. But not all politicians F*** their interns and then argue over the definition of sex or the word "is".
He got a BJ and then lied about it. You agree that all politicians, including whichever ones you support, probably do lie, so clinton isn't anything special in that regard. Hopefully you aren't holding clinton to a higher standard than whomever you support. So it IS about the sex then, right. Arguing over the definition of "is" may be a losing battle, but it is still in the realm of deception and therefore grudgingly accepted as common practice. Don't say it was because he did it under oath, because lying is lying. The oath just makes lying a crime.
I got it! If he had just said, "I don't recall one way or the other," like a different president did when posed with difficult questions he could have gotten away with it.

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Character is important. Is Arnold the greatest guy in the world? Nope. is Clinton? Nope. How about Davis? Nope. It comes down to who is the most in line with your ideas.
Which is more important, character or being in line with your ideas? Sometimes they overlap, many times they don't. Sometimes an asshole is the only right person to get the job done. Sometimes the guy who does his job well is also a pervert. These aren't meant to be references to anyone in reality, just examples that when it comes down to it, character can mean nothing if it doesn't get in the way of doing the job.
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