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Originally posted by Lebell
If this was a major incident, why didn't she report it to the police?[/B]
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Probably because there would be absolutely no result from such a report. I doubt the individual in question could ID her assailants effectively. Tell me, Lebell. If a crime is committed and nobody reports it, is it still a crime?
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Or why wasn't it reported by more people? Or why didn't it make a news report other than her own website?
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It was an action by Arnie supporters... right in the middle of a larger crowd of Arnie supporters. There's this other thing, too: just because something isn't reported doesn't mean it didn't happen. I somehow don't see you as one to get all your news from pre-packaged mass-media sources, so you most likely already know this. FWIW, it's been reported... just not in the major outlets. Thing is, I don't know if it's true. But it's infinitely better-documented than the Davis story is...
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Was it her or was it her supporter? The email indicates it was a supporter.
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I'd happily go look this up, but I frankly can't be arsed. The impression I got was that it was Ms. Russell herself - the emailer thought it was a supporter, but the emailer likely didn't recognize Ms. Russell, if it was in fact her.
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If it was her, why is she, a candidate for governor, in the crowd at an Arnold rally shouting at him?
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Well, he wouldn't debate unless given the questions beforehand; perhaps she wanted to see if she could convince him to an impromptu one. Perhaps she just happened to find herself at an Arnie rally. Perhaps she was just loudly disagreeing with the things he said. Perhaps she was doing opposition research. Does it really matter? The particulars of how she came to be there are not relevant.
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While being shoved and marked on is bad, so is going to a political rally and shouting invectives. If I did that, I would expect to get shoved too.
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I'm sorry your expectations of the political process are so low. Tell you what. When Arnie gets recalled, and if I'm running for Governor, you can come to my rallies and disagree as loudly as you like. I personally guarantee that you won't be touched. The plain fact is that simply disagreeing with the majority in that place and time did not warrant a beat-down by that majority. That is not How America Works. Or, at least, it's not supposed to be How America Works.
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What is the point of posting this? Are you blaming Arnold for the actions of some supporters? Are you saying because Arnold's supporters allegegdly shoved some woman, it is ok for Gray Davis, the Governor of California to shove women?
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I was expecting someone to ask this question; I wasn't expecting it to be you. The point is that for every allegation one side has, the other side has a counterallegation. If you read the last part of my post, you'll note that I expressed my concerns with Schwarzenegger that had nothing whatsoever to do with his character. I apologize if my point was too subtle. I'll explain a bit more in response to your last question.
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What does this story have to do with the dishonest reporting practices of the LA Times?
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Everything, Lebell. Everything. You see, the LA Times story was not just dishing up fresh dirt - they were taking stories that have been around for decades and researching them, searching to see if they were true. Like most CA residents, the LAT reporters had heard the rumors swirling about that Arnie was a serial harrasser. To their credit, they
investigated. They found the women who had made the charges. Ten of the fifteen who came forward
gave their names - took the allegations from anonymous to very, very nonymous (pardon the phrase). In short, these stories were an example of taking old rumors, researching them, finding the sources of the rumors, and getting their stories and names into the public record. The investigation took them seven weeks.
On the other hand, Lebell, we have the author of the story you posted. How many accusers have given their names in that story? It's not new, mind - it's a couple of years old. The original author of the Davis story claims two sources,
both of whom are anonymous. Even more interestingly, one
reportedly refuses to speak to the media. Meaning that the original Davis story author took one anonymous source and anonymous acquaintance of another, putative anonymous source and churned out a retaliatory story in less than a week. Let me repeat that: The author
did not even talk to one of her supposed sources.
And you create a thread for this to protest the biased journalism of the L.A. Times? I think, Lebell, you've overstated the case somewhat. Actually, you've overstated it by a country mile. But don't take my word for it. Here's the links to the stories:
LA Times Arnold Story #1
LA Times Arnold Story #2
Free Republic Davis Story
I report, Lebell. You decide. My error was in adopting the subtle tactics I did, and I apologize; I won't make that mistake again. Not here, anyway.