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Old 09-24-2003, 02:56 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Don't fool yourself into thinking that medical testing and deforestation, pollution, and animal harvesting are unrelated simply because their methods of execution are so varied. Animal testing is a symptom - of human attitude. The entire environmental problem is a result of attitude - until you can get the attitude to change, none of our reforms will do any good.

The current status quo is that the planet is here for our use. We are somehow superior to everyone and everything and therefore are entitled to use nature for our own purposes without heeding the consequences. Hunting is fun, so we hunt. We need roads, so we pave our way through wilderness wherever it is convenient for us. We need some way to deal with our waste, so we dump our sewage into the bays and oceans.

It is the attitude that, hey, we don't have to give a shit about our planet - we're here to have fun and fuck around for our 70 or 80 years and then we die. Who cares?

Medical testing is just one of the logical results of our attitude. Animals are a commodity. Might as well use them to their fullest potential.
You're right, they share the same attitude- that the survival and progress of humanity is more important than keeping the status quo- in their behavior towards nature. However there is nothing wrong with that attitude at its core because the desire for survival generally outweighs all else for any species. Aside from that attitude, there is little else in common. The problems that result from deforestation, pollution, roads, hunting and waste disposal have already or most likely will forever alter our world for the worse. They are all the result of careless attitudes and putting profit and convenience now ahead of a survivable future. Animal testing also has something to do with profit and convenience, but also the desire to save lives. The results of animal medical testing will further our understanding in too many ways to name. They also have the potential to save and/or improve the lives of every single person. Your life has already been enhanced by the results of animal testing. How has your life, or the environment been harmed by animal testing?

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Whether or not we owe them anything is beside the point - though I do believe we should be ashamed of the shape our planet is currently in. And the rest of your paragraph says exactly what I've been saying - you do realize that, don't you? We do it because we can - that's the way the world is. But don't try to tell yourself that it's somehow right.

If you're going to argue that, then slavery should still be in effect. Dictators would be heroes. Hitler didn't do anything wrong. Each of them could do it - so they did, and that's how the world works. Given a choice, Hitler would obviously prefer his Master Race to everyone else.
I can know it is right, just as you can know it is wrong. I've been telling you why i think it is right, while i still don't know why you think it is wrong, other than the "I don't like humanity's bad attitude". If you're going to argue that, maybe you should just do the world and all the animals a huge favor and kill as many people as possible, cause while our ability to be responsible as a species may develop, that attitude is never going to change.

Pulling the "hitler" card was pretty original too. As long as we are making terrible accusations, by your logic hitler was fine as long as he killed his own species insted of animals. I mean, think of all of the animals his victims would have subjugated unjustly had they been allowed to live.
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