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Originally posted by Peryn
Heres your problem, you keep basing it on not being ethical or moral. You cant prove or disprove morality. You cant argue any of this from an ethical standpoint, as it is all relative and opinionated. Nobody can prove murder is wrong. What makes it wrong? You kill someone else and now you dont have to compete with that person. Murder is an excellent idea. Less competition leads to more resources for me. Excellent. I think im am going to murder half my town and take their money, then enjoy the rest of my life, until i think someone else should die. Not a very good example, but what is wrong with that? Why shouldn't i kill anyone, it will help me tons. Sounds like a good plan for me. "But murder is wrong". Why? What makes up ethics? Opinions. One person may totally condone murder and rape and whatnot while one person can love it. Its all a matter of opinion.
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Exactly - the opinion of the majority. Slavery was once moral, because it was something that the majority did and agreed with.
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Originally posted by Peryn
You cant argue against eating meat or animal testing with ethics because there are no fact involved. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong. Logically, you can argue one way or another. Logically, selfishness and the idea of human superiority makes sense.
I guess im still not really sure where you stand. You seem to be against the ethics of it all, yet you show how it makes sense and why we should continue. You seem against it, yet you continually claim you like it.
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I am not arguing ethically about anything! That's the entire point - what I've been trying to say all along. You can't argue that what we do is right or wrong. You see to agree with me, so I don't understand why you're trying to refute my argument - which says exactly the same thing you are trying to.
My problem is with the people who walk around with their noses in the air, thinking that somehow we are morally 'entitled' to be superior. There's nothing moral about it. We control the planet, therefore we do what we want with it. We are not somehow entitled.
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Originally posted by Peryn
I guess my point is that you cant argue it ISNT ethical either. You can rarely argue ethics with any logic or sense to back it up.
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You'll notice I never tried to argue whether it was ethical or not. I argue that you can't determine whether it is ethical or not.
I need to go, but filtherton, stick around - I'm not done yet :P