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Kyo · 09-23-2003, 03:14 PM

- Survival of the fittest is dangerous. Apply it to humanity to achieve Hitler on a much, much broader scale.

- It is impossible for humanity to argue against itself. If animals have equal rights, then there should be no problem with animals eating humans - eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. It is natural for animals to eat other animals, after all.

- We have destroyed and raped our way across the planet. Our countless acres of concrete and asphalt are paved over forests and flatlands where plants and animals used to live. Each human produces more waste, uses more resources, and takes up more space than any other animal on the planet. Medical testing on animals is the proverbial microscopic tip of the iceberg. We've already fucked this planet a million ways to sunday.

- There can be no pretense about it. We have no moral high ground. We butcher millions of farm animals a year, test our cosmetics and medicines on animals, pollute, deforest, strip-mine, and otherwise rape the planet because we can. We do it because we are in a position of power to do so, and because it benefits us in the short-term (the long term is very much in debate). There isn't any way to argue that we are somehow morally 'right' in butchering animals so that 80 million families can have beef for dinner. That's just the way things are.

- Abortion is a tricky issue. Consider this situation: a mother can either birth a child and die in the process, or she can abort the child and live. Which is 'correct'? How do you measure which life is more precious? And where exactly does a 'child' begin? At the moment of conception? When the spinal cord has formed? When? Do not, under any circumstances, assume that the abortion issue and environmentalism are related. In one, we debate the worth of human life against the worth of non-human life. In the other, we debate the worth of human life against the lives and wishes of other humans - the two are very different topics.

09-23-2003, 03:14 PM	#29 (permalink)
Kyo Crazy	- Survival of the fittest is dangerous. Apply it to humanity to achieve Hitler on a much, much broader scale. - It is impossible for humanity to argue against itself. If animals have equal rights, then there should be no problem with animals eating humans - eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. It is natural for animals to eat other animals, after all. - We have destroyed and raped our way across the planet. Our countless acres of concrete and asphalt are paved over forests and flatlands where plants and animals used to live. Each human produces more waste, uses more resources, and takes up more space than any other animal on the planet. Medical testing on animals is the proverbial microscopic tip of the iceberg. We've already fucked this planet a million ways to sunday. - There can be no pretense about it. We have no moral high ground. We butcher millions of farm animals a year, test our cosmetics and medicines on animals, pollute, deforest, strip-mine, and otherwise rape the planet because we can. We do it because we are in a position of power to do so, and because it benefits us in the short-term (the long term is very much in debate). There isn't any way to argue that we are somehow morally 'right' in butchering animals so that 80 million families can have beef for dinner. That's just the way things are. - Abortion is a tricky issue. Consider this situation: a mother can either birth a child and die in the process, or she can abort the child and live. Which is 'correct'? How do you measure which life is more precious? And where exactly does a 'child' begin? At the moment of conception? When the spinal cord has formed? When? Do not, under any circumstances, assume that the abortion issue and environmentalism are related. In one, we debate the worth of human life against the worth of non-human life. In the other, we debate the worth of human life against the lives and wishes of other humans - the two are very different topics. __________________ Sure I have a heart; it's floating in a jar in my closet, along with my tonsils, my appendix, and all of the other useless organs I ripped out.