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In all fairness though we assume that their was nothing preuniverse and for that matter that was a preuniverse at all. One thing that has always struck me as odd was how Christian have absolutely no problem imagining a God that has always been and will always be, but the concept of the universe or anything else having always existed is just unfathomable.
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"The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751
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