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Old 09-22-2003, 11:25 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Originally posted by MuadDib
Oh trust me there is, and you are about to hear it. Testing on animals is just another way that the humanity expresses its disdain for the Earth and life in general. Animals have just as much right to life as humans do. Almost all of humanity takes for granted that humanity is of greater worth, but there is no logical reason to believe such. The only remotely convincing argument is that humanity is worth more because of our ability to reason and because we are self aware. Of course, this is exactly like saying people have souls but animals don't. Or to strike the point home, it is like saying that slavery is justified because white people are worth more than black people. All three arguments are entirely unprovable because all three try to justify one groups status over the other by quantifying some immeasurable that can't be proven to even exist in the first place. Our common stance that we are better than animals perpetuates our cultures method of objectifying everything from nature to other cultures. We devalue animals, trees, Arabs, Latinos, the earth, our neighbors, etc. And we do so because our culture is built upon not feeling or even acknowledging the pain of others out of a necessity to survive. Now this isn't to say that we shouldn't eat meat or keep pets. What it is to say is that we shouldn't test cosmetics or medicine on them. We shouldn't pump farm animals full of chemicals and drugs so that they can do nothing but get fat and become good eating. We should treat all life as an end within itself and not some means to achieve our ends. As long as that is acknowledged then life can take its course and we can eat meat and what not but with as much respect for the sacrifice of what we eat as feeling of self importance.
I am seriously not trying to hijack this thread, but this a question for Muad... To the point, you with Wellstone and Kinich(sp?) in your sig, how do you justify all you just spoke but are for abortion? I assume your going to play the "its not human card", but I don't buy it, when women "Terminate" a pregenency the fetus has a heartbeat and brain waves. Further more what do you feel about stem cells? I guess if any other liberals/tree huggers wanna chime in feel free, I am genuinely interested on how you could possibly justify all of this.

Truly sorry for the hijack, but I had to jump at the oppurtunity to ask the question.
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