09-19-2003, 09:52 PM
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Junkie
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Originally posted by Filtherton
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Your assertions that iraq was a threat are debatable. WMD? No conclusive evidence. How long did it take for us to conquer their army? Coupla weeks. Rwwaaaawr, watchout, its the iraqi army. Don't say they were linked to terrorism- if we really cared about that we'd be arguing about "occupied saudi arabia".
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Iraq did have WMD, we know it used to have a lot of it. Now it is gone, he didn't dispose of it, otherwise he would have showed us and avoided getting whomped by the US military. So he either hid it, or gave it away. Both are real bad since one puts it in some nuts hands to use at his discretion, or he intends to keep it and weapons like that in such quantity sure as hell aren't negotiating chips.
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Anyways, now we've overextended ourselves. We can't back out because the administration would look like it did pre9/11. That is, clumsy and of questionable intelligence. In the process of liberating iraq we've also brought hundreds of thousand of americans thousands of miles closer to people who hate us(some for very valid reasons) and want to kill us.
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In many of the cases I know the hatred is justified, the anti-US actions where people are killed are however unjustifiable. The fact that they intend to kill us as much as people who blow themselves up to do so is reason enough in my mind to crush them first.
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Why is anyone surprised that iraq is now filling up with actual terrorists? If you pardon the expression, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Wait, here's the antiwar disclaimer, "Now, i'm not saying saddam wasn't a horrible person, who ruled his subjects with greed and masochism", but if it is as you say, this was really about protecting our interests, not liberation.
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Either way we wouldn't have gone in if it wouldn't turn out to be in our interests short term or for the long run.
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And killing savages is what any civilized society worth its weight in shit-handling velvet gloves should do best. You'd think that we'd actually make an attempt to understand some of their customs before we kill them for customary behavior.
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We don't kill anymore, we assimilate, our culture by it's very nature permiates all else. As for the killing for customary behavior, as far the soldiers are concerned, it was unexpected gun fire in hostile territory that wasn't from your friends, therefore likely someone out to make you die, easy solution shoot back and figure out what the hell is going while you do it.
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They didn't have to "dodge gunfire" - the shots were fired into the AIR. Unless these were a member of our U.S. Jetpack Army and were currently hovering above the wedding.
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They could have been missing.
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Say what you want, but hearing shots and immediatly firing is not only irresponsible, it's AGAINST military regulation.
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They are in a hostile enviroment. People ARE dying very frequently.
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it's their fucking country.
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We aren't there sight seeing.
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They fire their guns at weddings. It's their wedding, it's their country, it's their tradition.
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If your in a hostile enviroment, a sitting duck, and keeping a look out, would unexpected gunfire in the vicinity strike you as something you should squint at for 4 seconds, or shoot while squinting, then stop shooting or use a second clip on while your buddy lobs a grenade?
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And a hearty "fuck you" to whoever called them savages.
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Best part of your post I think.
Also a lot of the anti-'soldiers who started shooting' seems to be based on the nation it was 100% OK and completely justifiable to do their customer of using automatic weapons to fire into the air.
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