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Originally posted by johnnymysto
Lurkette,
First of all, Happy Birthday!
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Thanks!
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Even cultures completely foreign to us have the same feeling without the same American laws or customs. So then, if we all feel that, we didn't make it up and we didn't all get it from the same social agreement, where did it come from? It must come from a higher source than people. The higher source is God.
Now that may seem like a big leap there at the end, but since this thread is about morality without religion, I'm stating that you cannot have morality without religion. It must come with religion, and God is the basis of that religion that I espouse.
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I disagree that it HAS to come from religion. What about pre-religious societies, or animistic ones? They still have taboos, guidelines for behaviors, etc, without a concept of god. I think it's just as reasonable to assume that things that are beneficial/harmful for a society are codified into a series of beliefs that are then reinforced by the man-made institution of religion. The argument that cultures foreign to us have the same "feeling" of right and wrong speaks more for something inherent to humans, or more specifically human social structure, than given by god, given the radical differences in the conceptions of god between, say, Shinto Japan or Daoist China and Puritan England.