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Old 09-12-2003, 12:39 PM   #23 (permalink)
rgr22j
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Originally posted by Superbelt
XXX tell me why Dean is liberal?

Is it his pro-gun policies that got him an A rating from the NRA?
You could use the same argument about Bush, i.e. tell me why Bush is conservative?

Is it his protectionist steel-tariff policy that was an obvious pander to steel unions? No one in his right mind would call Bush a liberal because of his stance on one issue; it's the same way with Dean.


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Originally posted by Superbelt
How about his fiscally conservative policies in his home state of Vermont.
You have to realize context here; Dean's "fiscally conservative" is largely attributed to him balancing the budget in Vermont. However, one, Vermont is a very small state. Two, in the artifically inflated economy of the late 90s, even California ran a surplus; I, for one, would hesitate to call California a "fiscally conservative" state. You could get sued for libel for writing that about California...

Third, he vastly increased the range of government run health care, i.e. Medicare, and increased the overall property tax burden on Vermonters earning over $75,000 a year. Not exactly conservative. Though to be fair, Dean is conservative compared to the careless free-spending policies of the Bush administration.


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Originally posted by Superbelt
Or maybe he really shines as a liberal by the Green party's total rejection of him as a democratic candidate.

I am fed up to my eyeballs of people calling Dean "too liberal"

Dean is a moderate and I defy you to make a valid case that can paint him any other way.
Again, I don't think you can use that as an argument. Similarly, I can't sarcastically say that maybe Bush really shines as a conservative by the Libertarian party's total rejection of him as a Republican candidate. Perhaps the Green party might want to nominate its own candidate, after all.

As I wrote in a prior post, it's this venomous anti-Bush strategy that will cause the Democrats to lose the race; nominating a far-left governor from a far-left Northeast state is the last thing you want to do when the Republicans absolutely dominated the midterm elections. It should've been a clear sign that the anti-Bush, anti-liberation strategy is being completely rejected by the American populace. Unfortunately, it seems that the Democrats haven't gotten the message.

Howard Dean on "Meet the Press" (June 22): Raise taxes, reduce veterans' payments. As governor of Vermont: over the opposition of the majority of Vermont residents, instituted civil unions. Pro-gay, anti-religion, characterized Republicans as "flat tax, flat earth people who say evolution can't be taught in schools.'' Showed up at ultra-left Campaign for America's Future rally with Jesse Jackson and NOW.

If I had a choice, Lieberman/Edwards. Edwards for youth and to pull geographically, Lieberman for his strength on terrorism and support for religion. Hypothetically, how's that?

-- Alvin
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