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Holo · 09-11-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by TIO
You hit the nail on the head, Holo: the recording houses are selling an inferior product. People are buying it. To those people, the one song is worth $20.
If you don't want to buy a CD without knowing that you'll like almost all of it, go into a record store and have a listen. They all have listening posts where you can listen to the entire CD, usually for as long as you want, for free. If you're not satisfied that the CD is worth the price, hand it back to the attendant and politely inform them that you don't want it.

The listening booths they have here do not allow you to hear an enitire album for free...you get a 30 sec clip of it which a song does not make. We don't have Tower Records and all those wonderful record stores that many larger cities have that have this feature. I live in a well known city too..I can't imagine what Jack Podunk in the Boondocks has to do to review an album under your method. This is simply not available everywhere. Not to mention it's much more fair to the album If I can listen to it without clunky headphones sitting in my room than having to stand thru an entire album just to do it "the right way". I may have less of a good opinion of an album that I am listening to in a store under the stare of the clerk who thinks I'm being a mooch by previewing an entire album.It's not that I care what he thinks it's that I shouldn't have to go thru all this shit to verify I'm not getting digitally sodomized with yet another copy of crap.

That is how the music is presented to you: as a complete album. If you only want one track, buy the single. But you have no right to determine how music is sold to you; if the price for a CD is more than you believe it to be worth, don't buy it.

Again...not everything I may turn out to like comes out as a single. There are several Tool songs I like that have never been singles to my knowledge, and this could be said about hundreds of bands as well. So I'm expected to miss out on Music that may have no way of being paid for as a single? That sounds like bad business to me, and a spit in the face to music lovers to tell them they gotta waste money on crappy music to get to the stuff they wanted. I blame all of this one them; They control the methods of distro till Napster and the other P2P. If I broke and album before I had to buy it again to listen to the music. If I like 2 songs on a disc that didn't become a single or aren't the type of music that gets airplay then I'm screwed. Not anymore and they hate us for that.

Think of the most expensive restaurant in town. Do you think the prices there are justified? Would you pay to eat there tonight? No! It's overpriced! But do you think that gives you the right to walk in to the kitchen and take the food anyway?

This is the oldest argument and I'll use the oldest counter; When I download an mp3, how much is spent by the MafRIAA on distro? How much in shipping? NOTHING. All it's cost is a few MB of bandwidth from "joeuser@kazaalite"They may spend $ in advertising but that's a regular cost of any product to be released. I haven't taken a physical product like food from a restaurant's kitchen that the place paid to be shipped and are expected to sell the physical object I with which would be stuffing my face. All I've done is prevent myself from being a victim of the MafRIAA shell game...I found a loop hole in their casino of music.

As for your damaged CD, go ahead and download another copy. It probably comes under fair use, particularly if you retain some proof of purchase for the recording, or a copy of the police report you filed about the theft of your CD.

So I should file criminal charges against a friend who moved and had my Kiss album? Or an ex-gf who kept some of my CDs that I forgot about just to be "legal"? Or even if she kept them to be a bitch I should go thru the drama of getting those CDs back when I can just download them and burn them and not have to deal with her dumb ass?

You methodology would create a scary paradigm that would send the PD into overtime looking for a missing CD. Sometimes you gotta let some things go. If they were stolen from my car or something and there was window damage I would file a report but if there's no property damage the cops are gonna take my CD report, leave, and laugh at my ass all the way to the donut shop for my naivete'. No one files reports for missing CDs unless it was a BIG collection, not 3 or 4. aAnd no PD is going to put any real manpower into this endeavor when they have rapists and murderers to catch.

Better yet, if you feel that your recording may be damaged or stolen, copy it first and leave the original in a safe place.

This wasn't availble to me until 4 years ago when I got my first PC. Why would I tape a tape as a teenager? And why would I tape a CD I owned to hear it in an inferior format? Why would I have a Discman? I didn't have a CD-RW till 3 years ago. Tapes did last a long ass time back in the 80's and early 90's, but now many in my tape case are showing their age. I should be able to hear the music I paid for regardless of the breakdown of media. They aren't selling me the media, they're selling me the music.

As for replacing a broken cassette tape with an MP3, that may be something more of a legal minefield. You probably would have paid less for the tape than for a CD, and you are paying less because the quality is lower. I'm not sure if replacing a cassette tape with a near-CD quality MP3 falls under fair use.
On second thought, I'm not sure replacing any damaged recording medium with downloaded material is legal. If I drop my stereo and it breaks, that's my bad luck; I don't expect the company to provide me with a new one for free. If it's stolen, it's covered by my insurance, and I expect your Metallica CD is as well. If you don't have insurance, then I'm afraid that's your problem.

It sure is...and I found a free way to solve it. Once again I paid for the tunes, not the tape.

And I am not defiant of legal authority. I did not jaywalk out of defiance for the law. The police have a legal right to prevent me from jaywalking, and the laws against jaywalking are written in the better interests of society. I jaywalked because I was hungry and I wanted to get to lunch, and I didn't feel like waiting for the lights to change.

But you did defy the law...your intent to rebel or not isn't the issue. You were aware of the laws in place and your unwillingness to cross properly caused you to break the law....just as my unwillingness to get sodomized over and over as media breaks down and I have to shell out for inferior music at the MafRIAA casinos(record stores). I will buy good shit if it's good, I will not buy crap unless I'm gardening.

I do see where you're coming from...but ppl are tired of gambling at the MafRIAA casino....they don't want to risk $20 on a 2 song disc. If the industry doesn't want to provide all music piecemeal for legal purchase then they are doing a disservice to their customers, and they like it this way. This heralds the destruction of music to keep it under such strict guidelines. How am I supposed to try out new music if they won't let me hear every song at least once in full in all areas in every casino (record store)?

They've been ripping us off for decades...we found a way to remove the digital cock from our rear ends and they hate us for exposing their little shell game.