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Shagg · 09-05-2003, 03:42 PM

Ok, to back it up a bit, I was supporting someone elses comment about the DMV and voter registration. I was then called upon to offer proof to back up my statements and I did. I cited both the voter registration form and the bill in question, further I cited a specific section of the bill. This is not rhetoric, it is fact.

For it to be said that it is already possible, is just justifying someones ability to break the law. That is rhetoric. You argument in this regard is just saying who cares if we make it easier. You cite "taxation without representation," sorry that's not the issue. I started working when I was 14, I payed taxes for almost 5 years before the first election was held that I was able to vote in. A citizen doesn't have the right to vote until they are 18 because they essentially don't have the ability to objectively look at the issues or the language skills to comprehend the issues. If they want to work in this country so much, they should make the effort to become citizens. They can still get payed under the table for all I care, but going through the naturalization process will give them a better respect for the country. If they are just here to make their money and then head back across the border, then they shouldn't be here under any circumstance.

My original argument against this bill had to do with giving illegals, the ability to purchase firearms legally. This is causing concern with both the ATF and the Mexican government. In Mexico, long guns are regulated and it is very difficult to purchase high-powered rifles. This bill will give smugglers the ability to purchase large amounts of firearms legally and transport them into Mexico.

After all the effort spent on identifying terrorists, this bill is a giant step backwards. There are plenty of terrorists, criminals and assorted trouble makers that have never had contact with law enforcement. This bill will make it very easy for them to work in the open. A state issued drivers license is sufficient identification to buy firearms, board airplanes and in some areas purchase explosives. This is what worries me.

Also, who cares if the rest of the country considers up wacko's. By everybody elses standards we are, and have been for a long time. Much of what California does is the grounds for national precedent so their concern is justified. You sound like you were one of those that took offense to the teacher who used the term "niggardly."

And despite what you may think, this bill will affect the nation as a whole. State ID's are federally recognized forms of identification. So there are nationwide ramifications.

09-05-2003, 03:42 PM	#31 (permalink)
Shagg What day is it? Location: Downey, CA	Ok, to back it up a bit, I was supporting someone elses comment about the DMV and voter registration. I was then called upon to offer proof to back up my statements and I did. I cited both the voter registration form and the bill in question, further I cited a specific section of the bill. This is not rhetoric, it is fact. For it to be said that it is already possible, is just justifying someones ability to break the law. That is rhetoric. You argument in this regard is just saying who cares if we make it easier. You cite "taxation without representation," sorry that's not the issue. I started working when I was 14, I payed taxes for almost 5 years before the first election was held that I was able to vote in. A citizen doesn't have the right to vote until they are 18 because they essentially don't have the ability to objectively look at the issues or the language skills to comprehend the issues. If they want to work in this country so much, they should make the effort to become citizens. They can still get payed under the table for all I care, but going through the naturalization process will give them a better respect for the country. If they are just here to make their money and then head back across the border, then they shouldn't be here under any circumstance. My original argument against this bill had to do with giving illegals, the ability to purchase firearms legally. This is causing concern with both the ATF and the Mexican government. In Mexico, long guns are regulated and it is very difficult to purchase high-powered rifles. This bill will give smugglers the ability to purchase large amounts of firearms legally and transport them into Mexico. After all the effort spent on identifying terrorists, this bill is a giant step backwards. There are plenty of terrorists, criminals and assorted trouble makers that have never had contact with law enforcement. This bill will make it very easy for them to work in the open. A state issued drivers license is sufficient identification to buy firearms, board airplanes and in some areas purchase explosives. This is what worries me. Also, who cares if the rest of the country considers up wacko's. By everybody elses standards we are, and have been for a long time. Much of what California does is the grounds for national precedent so their concern is justified. You sound like you were one of those that took offense to the teacher who used the term "niggardly." And despite what you may think, this bill will affect the nation as a whole. State ID's are federally recognized forms of identification. So there are nationwide ramifications.