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Thagrastay · 08-31-2003, 08:40 AM

The Democratic Party in the United States was formed as a vehicle for the agrarian lifetyle that was prdominant at the time. The Republican Party was a third dark horse party and was the vehicle by which Abraham Licoln gained the presidency. Third Party politics in the US are possible- Jesse Ventura was elected Governor of Minnesota on an independent ticket.
Unfortunately, the Democratic Party no longer represents the "Common Man' in America and no longer speaks for the unprotected. It has become, sadly more of a Socialist movement and the main thrust of the Huge Government ideal. It has been called "Plantation Thinking": we are the slaves, the Government is the Plantation and we work for the Plantation Owners who house and feed us and on occassion extend us liberties.
The Republican Party had for a while there, a very Libertarian outlook to it's position- small central government, state's rights, independence and pursuit of happiness, etc. But that whole scenario was exploded because of the oppression that was the norm in the industrial atmosphere of the early 20th century. Too much exploitation of the workers, too little control of the corporations. It is still that way.
Libertarians are the third party and in the shadow of the other two because they lack a vehicle which will allow them to come to the forefront- they need PR. they need a strong figure which people can rally around on a grass roots type of swell and launch them into the social consciousness.
The founders of the nation clearly understood the directions it was possible for this country to go in and gave us great warning to stay the course they began. Their biggest concern at that time was becomin re-colonized by the european interests and avoiding that occurrence. But withing 20 years of gaining our independence from Britain, we handed them our econopmy to run. Andrew Jackson foiled their plot, and Lincoln weathered the fallout and held the country together. Things went horribly wrong, however, in 1913 when we became a slave state to the European money.

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Thagrastay Crazy Location: Handrail, Montana	The Democratic Party in the United States was formed as a vehicle for the agrarian lifetyle that was prdominant at the time. The Republican Party was a third dark horse party and was the vehicle by which Abraham Licoln gained the presidency. Third Party politics in the US are possible- Jesse Ventura was elected Governor of Minnesota on an independent ticket. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party no longer represents the "Common Man' in America and no longer speaks for the unprotected. It has become, sadly more of a Socialist movement and the main thrust of the Huge Government ideal. It has been called "Plantation Thinking": we are the slaves, the Government is the Plantation and we work for the Plantation Owners who house and feed us and on occassion extend us liberties. The Republican Party had for a while there, a very Libertarian outlook to it's position- small central government, state's rights, independence and pursuit of happiness, etc. But that whole scenario was exploded because of the oppression that was the norm in the industrial atmosphere of the early 20th century. Too much exploitation of the workers, too little control of the corporations. It is still that way. Libertarians are the third party and in the shadow of the other two because they lack a vehicle which will allow them to come to the forefront- they need PR. they need a strong figure which people can rally around on a grass roots type of swell and launch them into the social consciousness. The founders of the nation clearly understood the directions it was possible for this country to go in and gave us great warning to stay the course they began. Their biggest concern at that time was becomin re-colonized by the european interests and avoiding that occurrence. But withing 20 years of gaining our independence from Britain, we handed them our econopmy to run. Andrew Jackson foiled their plot, and Lincoln weathered the fallout and held the country together. Things went horribly wrong, however, in 1913 when we became a slave state to the European money. __________________ "That's it! They've got the cuffs on him, he's IN the car!"