tisonlyi

Nice choice.

You discussed and read widely, good.

I don't know what you read, but I imagine all the books based on facts, not old wives tales, social pressures and ridiculous scaremongering, leant quite heavily in the direction of leaving well alone.

flying in the face of everything else, at least every other piece of objective info i've ever read on the subject, you choose to blow one case your hear about, 2nd hand, totally out of proportion and so choose to go with the post natal mutilation, rather than letting well alone and, oh i don't know, perhaps properly washing (which would involve directly touching) the penis of your son.

Your son might, just might, get meningitis. Better rip out his spinal column and drain the fluids that bathe his brain, eh?

Oh, that's not palatable?

he will get nappy rash, which is uncomfortable, so the skin on his arse should be removed, eh?

He stands a good chance of breaking a bone while he's under ten years of age, best make him a quadriplegic, that'll sort those tiresome troubles of worrying what little scrapes your child might get into...

It's mutilation. Plain and simple. You're disfiguring your child on the OFFCHANCE that, most likely through prudishly shying away from pulling the foreskin of your child back and washing him properly, you MIGHT have to go through some surgery or other with him.

Heaven forbid.

Jesus man, do you know what state a foreskin has to get into before it's necessary to cut it off?

Just think about it.

How diseased, how filthy, how rank, how progressed before medical presentation does a piece of flesh have to get such that the only recourse is amputation?

Not antisceptic creams? no pills? no nurse taking your son into a corner and carefully cleaning and dressing the affected area, followed by a jab and an appointment to come back in 2 days?

No no, straight to amuptation.

Pretty, pretty damn bad.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that save the most extremely remote, chance, freak happening that a properly cared for child could ever find itself in that situation.

I'm sorry, I'm european. Pretty much all of us over here are uncut, and most of my friends like to talk about the disasters they have down there after a few pints, lets face it, we all have one or two during our lives. Most entertaining anecdotes over a spot of luncheon.

The only person i know who has been medically ordered into circumcision is my own father. I have to inform you, the state he got his penis into was, well, absolutely hideous. Beyond the comprehension of a standard human male as to how he could let it degenerate to such a state...

I read around this issue when, living in a foreign land where nudity was perfectly acceptable in certain places, an american associate of mine noted with a look of disgust that:

"You guys must be stinkin down there, goddamn freakish."

Followed by an arguement and a long running dispute - where he eventually had to throw away long and dearly held beliefs of self image and oh, i dunno... bizarre ideas of superiority through reduction, etc, etc...

In reading around, I couldn't believe the ridiculous arguements put forward in favour of what is, in all honesty and medical fact, nothing more than a barbaric status quo.

A throwback to less cleanly times, perhaps.

Nothing More.

Oh, and on the sexual sensation front, i wasn't trying to say that you cut chaps don't feel anything. Of course you do. What I was saying is that I enjoy, in fact a little more than just enjoy, having my foreskin played with, touched and licked. Other intact males i've discussed it with feel similarly.

The feeling of having one's lady put her tongue betwixt foreskin and glans and move around is rather, umm, nice... as is the sucking and nibbling action....

I digress, save to say, those small but wonderful pleasures are now totally denied to your son for his entire stay on planet earth, of which he has but one.

Hey, you're his daddy and must know your gene pool far better than I. What that little lad needs, not knowing what the hell he's going through, and just starting to build his most lasting and most important connections to the outside world, might just be a nice dose of unnecessary, random torture.

That'll definitely shove him off on the right footing.

Well done you.

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Yes, I know it's only a small flap of skin, not a lot to get boiling about but the anger comes from the irrational belief that underlies and provokes the mutilation.

Amputation. Mutilation. Disfigurement. Abuse.

A fancy medical name shouldn't hide what it really is.

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