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Old 08-24-2003, 10:30 PM   #43 (permalink)
Phaenx
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Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Originally posted by Nizzle
A search for "medical marijuana" on Google does not return one single hit for a High Times article. If you can't be bothered to do even a cursory investigation, I feel I am wasting my time.

But to humor you, I searched for "medical marijuana" and limited results to .edu domains. Here's a large report from the Institute of Medicine (link here). Read the executive summary if nothing else. It covers every point previously cited in relation to psychological and physiological effects. It concludes, and states it in no uncertain terms, that although chronic use of marijuana has side effects, they are mild and short-lived. It goes extensively into benefits on cannabanoids in treatment of various disorders.
From that site: "Conclusion: Scientific data indicate the potential therapeutic value of cannabinoid drugs, primarily THC, for pain relief, control of nausea and vomiting, and appetite stimulation; smoked marijuana, however, is a crude THC delivery system that also delivers harmful substances."

I read the executive summary and I don't see where it says anything but withdrawal is mild as well, that site doesn't seem to support your claims.

I also read (albeit things I already knew) that there are other drugs that can do everything marijuana can, in most cases better.

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That entire response was completely devoid of any factual information. I'll just skip this part.
It's not factual? Take a look here at what you'd need to do to go to prison for possession in my state, Ohio. What's more plausible, that the 80% rise was due to hard drugs and dealers or kids with a bag of pot?

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I'm willing to discuss separating hard drugs from marijuana. Decriminalizing marijuana does not have to include heroin and other Schedule I substances. Ultimately I don't think punishing drug users has any value. And drug smugglers would not even exist if the item were not contraband. The U.S. war on drugs is entirely responsible for a class of criminals that would not otherwise exist. Eliminating this faction would be a huge benefit to everyone.
Drug smugglers will always exist, because there's no way in hell we're going to legalize every drug, and these dealers are in it for the money, take away pot and they're going to start dealing harder, more dangerous drugs. That certainly wouldn't be helping anyone.

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I don't know. Certainly a strong education program would need to come with legalization; and regulations to prevent cigarette companies from marketing heavily to teens.
Cigarette companies don't do that now, and they smoke anyways. Kids are stupid to begin with, the only way you're going to get pot away from them is by force.

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I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. I never suggested that one should be legalized or criminalized because of the laws governing the other.
I was initially talking to someone else, which is why I brought alcohol up.

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I still don't see how someone smoking a joint in their own home has such a traumatic influence on your life. I accuse you of exaggerating. You have not even addressed the concern of medical marijuana in the treatment of glaucoma, chronic nausea and dizziness associated with HIV-fighting drugs and chemotherapy, and stimulating appetite.
^look up^

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You mean like how you are convinced that everyone opposing you is affiliated with High Times and have no scientists or doctors to back their claims?
Who said that? Not me.

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No, I simply have not heard any good arguments that make me question how I already feel. I hate to break this to you, but one report does not constitute proof of anything. The legalization of marijuana is a very potent political and social issue, and the people funding the research -- on both sides -- have a lot at stake on the contents of these reports. The point that I was trying to make earlier is that if you search, you will find people on both sides of the coin stating they have scientific proof of their side.
What do you mean one? I listed like 20.

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I still don't see how this is my problem, or the Federal government's.
It'll be your problem sooner or later when you have to work with, for or employ some of those toads.
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