angela146

Constant, before you read all of this, please note my bottom line: I agree with you that a lot of women use sexual advantage to attempt to compensate for their perceived lack of equality.

Those women annoy me. I don't have the intensity of feelings in that direction that you do but I am on the same side of the fence.

However, I assert that the primary cause of those women's inequality is their own choice to be unequal and/or their unwillingness to do what it takes to be equal (i.e. they're slackers). Yup, I got that

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My original post is just how I feel. I realize it is not right or acceptable to many women.

Sure. Your feelings are valid...

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I never said physical strength mattered, I just used it as proof or an example that men and women are clearly not equal. ...

It's a pretty week example, considering how little importance physical strength has in today's world... more to the point, I dispute the notion that men and women are not equal, on balance.

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I also find it ironic that you feel attacked by my assumptions about women, understandably so, but then you make assumptions asserting female superiority. This thread isn't about any superiority except female dominance in the sexual world.

Your question was, in part, "Would you rather be considered as equals to men in everything...". As you indicated above, you combine that with a notion of gender inequality, i.e. that women are at a disadvantage. I assert that women need no "consideration of equality" since, on balance, we are not at a disadvantage

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Women ARE much better students than men when they are under the age of 24,

There point was a generational one, not an age related one. The societal change that has occured in the raising of girls only affects those who are young enough to have lived through it. (Which happens to fall at or near the GenX/GenY boundary, i.e. people who are currently about 24). This was intended to deny the premise that society is holding women back and that women therefore need society to change and start considering them as equals.

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I agree, I never challenged the intelligence of women. But, if you believe that being male is an ADVANTAGE when applying for college, you are wrong, especially when applying as an engineering or math/science major.

No... I am suggesting that the societal barriers that used to put women at a disadvantage are no longer there (for "Generation Y") and in fact have reversed somewhat. The current difference in the academic performance between men and women, IMO, is due to an unfair advantage given to women in grade school and highschool. Again, IMO, men and women have equal intelligence on balance.

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I am not saying women are less intelligent or mentally inferior. I am just saying they are DIFFERENT and therefore, unequal.

Ah, but difference does not imply inequality.

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Men are better at somethings than women, women are better at somethings than men, I don't get how you argue that men and women are equal yet concede the fact that women are better mothers,

I don't concede that women are better parents.

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more emotionally receptive, and that men are stronger and call men stupid sex-obsessed pigs.

The stupid sex-obsessed pigs thing is a long standing and false portrayal of men in entertainment media. My point is that that unfortunate portrayal is long standing, not that it is valid

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If you want to see the difference between me and women, make a list of ten things to do and get 2-3 guy friends and 2-3 female friends. See how long it takes each of them to do the things. Women should come out on top.

Actually, I give men and women things to do all the time in my line of work. While men and women tend to use different methods of getting things done, my experience is that they tend to be roughly equally effective overall.

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Then ask 2-3 guy friends and 2-3 girlfriends who don't drive the model car you drive, and ask them to parallel park it in a small space, and see how long each one takes. Men should come out on top.

I'll accept that, but attribute it to the fact that driving cars is one of those areas where society has not changed. Girls are still socialized to believe that driving ability is not a girl thing and is not something they should spend time learning how to do. Boys, conversely, are put under a lot of pressure to be good drives or face ridicule from peers.

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Are any of you actually challenging this or are you just "notifying" me of the recent female "accomplishments" in the last 30 years, which I am already well aware of?

I am challenging a lot of the premise in the original question.

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I'm not pulling this out of my ass, I have actually seen these tests being performed and the data that comes out of it. Ther ARE scientists who agree with this view, but generally most don't like to talk about it because society punishes political incorectness. People have lost their jobs saying things like I have said, it is ridiculous.

Not sure which view you are talking about here.

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Oppression has been a part of the reason why women have different roles, but it is also biological. Remember, society is a product of human beings and biology.

Women have different roles *primarily* because they choose those roles, not because they are assigned to those roles nor because of differences in ability. Note my use of the word *primarily*.

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It is GREAT, friggin GREAT that women over the last thirty years are making strides in male-dominated fields. If you noticed the tone of my original post and what I was talking about, you would have understood my "HATRED" towards women was a result of their sexuality and the fact that many of them don't have anything to offer as an intellectual because they have been using their looks to get everything in life.

... and I empathize. I don't particularly care for women who neglect their intellectual development because they can get by on sexual advantage. Yes, they don't bring much to the table

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I LIKE women who are intelligent, I am not against TRUE female empowerment. I am against politcal correctness and the idea of equality, though. I never questioned the UNequality of males and females, someone else did.

That would be me, I believe. If some women are unequal, it is because they are slackers.

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I bet you if I made a post about 10 reasons why men are stupid pigs, no one would object.

I might not object but it would be because I am biting my tongue and trying not to get myself in trouble.