Lebell...thank you...i appriciate all your words.
CSFilm: I sincerely beleive you owe Lebell an apology. You've done nothing more than frame the debate in ways to ignore what he's saying, then taunt him when he won't play by your rules. It is quite clear that there is very little desire to "prove" God to you on the scientific evidence. It can't be done. But when you ask "why believe", as the title of the thread suggests...we try to tell you why. Experience. If you don't want to listen to that, then don't get in this kind of fight.
If you think that there is no role in experiential evidence...i suggest you try proving that love exists someday. You'll have a hell of a time if you can't cite someone's personal example.
I'm rather sick of being told that i'm wrong if i follow life's teaching, and explore what life has told me. You can't possibly construct an actual proof that i'm wrong...the closest you might come is occam's razor, which is hella far from 100% sure. Your life doesn't suggest faith, as you interpret it. You argue from your experience, but shut people down when they offer theirs. That's not fair, and that's not debate.
Charlatan: I didn't think of the perspective of a Commie in that example, but i don't think it takes anything from the idea. Why is that they fear "freedom" so much? Is there something logical about their reaction? Why do they live in fear that such movements will arise again, if not the human impulse towards freedom. I actually think i rather like this example all the better for that criticism. thanks.
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