08-21-2003, 09:14 AM
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#95 (permalink)
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Banned
Location: The Hell I Created.
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Originally posted by asaris
Three brief points, some of them actually relevant to the topic at hand.
1. There *is* evidence for the existence of God. Consider the fine-tuning argument:
a. The various constants (Planck's Constant, the Gravitational
Constant, etc.) are incredibly sensitive to adjustment so
that, with very little change, the universe could not have
supported life.
b. Science cannot possibly explain why the various constants
have the values they do.
c. So we need God to explain it.
This is, btw, a very weak version of the argument -- Philosophy of Religion isn't my area. But it provides some evidence for the existence of God.
maybe, just maybe, these constants that if altered wouldn't allow life, were there from the beginning, and life developed in a way which worked with them. if they had been different, life would have developed in a different manner to suit the differences in those laws.
science not being able to explain why the constants are what they are is rather inconsequential. why is gravity what it is? i don't know, but as long as it works, how it developed isn't that important to me.
we don't need god to explain. that's a cop out. it's a shortcut. instead of saying "we don't know," you're saying lets give credit to the big invisible guy in the sky. in the past, things which have been explained through science had been attributed to god, and people finally got off their asses and figured it out rather than just leaving it as "since i don't know it must be god." one day scientists will be able to figure it out. it could take a while, but that doesn't mean god did it.
2. Onan's sin was not spilling his seed as such, it was failing to provide children for his dead brother, as required by Israelite law.
i thought that the sin was failing to do what god said. god said give your bro's wife a kid, he chose not to, so the big guy bitch slapped him for it. i highly doubt that there was a law saying that he had to give his dead bro's wife a kid. might have been one saying that he had to provide for the wife and any children present, but i doubt he had to give her any.
3. People have known the world was round for 1000s of years. It's easily observable by watching a ship sail beyond the horizon. Not, of course, to say everyone knew this, but the educated people did.
people haven't known that for 1000's of years. that knowledge may have been around for 1000 years at most. ancient rome and greece, the ancient arabs, none of them knew. if i'm wrong about this and you have some credible info proving so, please link it. thanks.
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