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Mojo_PeiPei · 08-18-2003, 11:11 AM

We are different because we aren't theocratic, the religious elite doesn't run our country, and our laws are INSPIRED by Christianity, not dictated by it. Also unlike those intolerant cess pool countries all religion's are allowed.

Here is something said by Ben Franklin I think is very valid to this connversation. He said this at the drafting of the constitution when all the founding fathers were at each others throats and about ready to walk out on the crazy notion of Independence.

He said: I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground with his notice (reference to Jesus in Matthew 10) is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have bben assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this... I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning.

This stirring speech was what held the FF together, it started the tradition of prayer in the house and senate. What about what Thomas Jefferson said in regard to religion "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed THEIR ONLY FIRM BASIS, a conviction in the minds of people that these liberties are of the gift of God?... Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.

Last quote, by Abraham Lincoln taken from his Proclomation for a National Day of Fasting, Humiliation, and Prayer.

He said: We have been the recipientsof the choicest bounties of heaven. We have been preserved these many yearsin peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth, and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in Peace, and mulitplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have becoe to self-sufficent to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us! It behooves us then to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins and to pray for clemency and forgiveness. (April 30, 1863)

Obviously God did hold great meaning for this country, why have we suddenly gotten to good for him?

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Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	We are different because we aren't theocratic, the religious elite doesn't run our country, and our laws are INSPIRED by Christianity, not dictated by it. Also unlike those intolerant cess pool countries all religion's are allowed. Here is something said by Ben Franklin I think is very valid to this connversation. He said this at the drafting of the constitution when all the founding fathers were at each others throats and about ready to walk out on the crazy notion of Independence. He said: I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground with his notice (reference to Jesus in Matthew 10) is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have bben assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this... I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning. This stirring speech was what held the FF together, it started the tradition of prayer in the house and senate. What about what Thomas Jefferson said in regard to religion "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed THEIR ONLY FIRM BASIS, a conviction in the minds of people that these liberties are of the gift of God?... Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. Last quote, by Abraham Lincoln taken from his Proclomation for a National Day of Fasting, Humiliation, and Prayer. He said: We have been the recipientsof the choicest bounties of heaven. We have been preserved these many yearsin peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth, and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in Peace, and mulitplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have becoe to self-sufficent to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us! It behooves us then to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins and to pray for clemency and forgiveness. (April 30, 1863) Obviously God did hold great meaning for this country, why have we suddenly gotten to good for him? __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition. Last edited by Mojo_PeiPei; 08-18-2003 at 11:22 AM..