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Old 08-16-2003, 02:22 AM   #41 (permalink)
cheesemoney
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Ok guys.... I am very glad to see all of the recent responses to this post... Must be a friday thing...

My take on bruce's lightening fast speed, is that it doesn't matter when you are gonna get taken down.

Ok, this is OLD news, but anyone that has studied MA even a bit in the last 10 - 15 years knows that kicks don't amount to much unless you
a) are timed, in an octagon, in an event where the ref stands you on your feet every min or so that you are on the ground and they deem you're punchin' some dude in the face and him squirmin' as "inactive"
b) kick some dude on the street that isn't versed in MA
c) dunno... you tell me when someone that has taken a full-contact mma class can get kicked.... my personal experience, its when a guy is absolutely outclassed or when a dude is tired as hell from floppin' around on the ground... see a)

I think that bruce was on the right track...
I think if he had sparred with Helio Gracie, Carle (or however you spell Carley)
He woulda worked more on his ground game...

Here's the thing.
When Brazilian Jiu-Jistsu first took the world it was an eye opener to us Americans.

Then the Jiu-Jistu guys got rocked when big, predominantly white people started cross training in wrestling, submission, and striking (read, mui-thai)

Now we're at a great point in MA when people realize that there is no answer. Bruce had the right idea with JKD, in that he'd accept anything.. unfortunately, his strategy wasn't really suited to a cage or one on one fight.

Too many BJJ players stress the importance of the guard and submissions from a bad "street" position.

Unfortunately, bruce's "students" get fucking rocked in any MMA sanctioned fight.

None have ever won anything in 1on1, to my knowledge.

Read, UFC, King of the Cage (KoC), Abu Dhabi (which, given , is purely submission), Pride (the biggie),
I could go on.

However, Bruce's philosophy, is right on... Try what is new, and see if it works for you. Unfortunately, he didn't get a chance to get worked over by a Brazilian in the 60's, or I think he woulda made a bunch of Bad assed JKD students, having incorporated what surely would have been a loss by submission into a new platform/principle.

Bruce was a bad assed dude who taught the Chinese (on the Islands) what was up, and brought MA to the west, for which I am grateful....

Reminds me of a more successful David Beckham trying to bring soccer to the American's. He's personable, he's on tv, but he wasn't in the top 5, even at the time.

You look at the history of his student's versus the MA teachers in the rest of the world, and you'll realize that I'm not wrong...
I hope.

We got Mark Coleman (wrestler)
Rodrigo Noguera (BJJ and Muai Thai)
Tito (wrestler turned puncher)
Vitor (Boxer, posing as a Jiu Jitsu Artist)

I dunno the last JKD fighter that I saw on the real scene, but he got spanked)

Some JKD guys won in the early days of UFC tho.

The real winners nowadays do follow Bruce's tradition though...

They' don't have a set, nameable style

BTW, anyone here ever get rocked by a good punch in an MMA event? I did, and it made me toss my cookies and give it up.

Like I said, Bruce would kick my fucking ass....

And I could bench press him 40 times.

Peace, and no disrespect.

Cheese
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