So yeah anyways, I've made this face plate.. first of all I couldn't get the lines to work from the vertices.. but worked around that by using the create line instead of the subobject create line option in the modify list.
So I've got this.. box helmet and I was goin to test it out to see if it renders or not.. it doesn't just a blank screen.. it don't even activeshade.. argh.. I dunno.. : / About to give up..