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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
I see all you christian haters exposed in this thread.
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Speaking as an avowed atheist, I find Catholicism hard to love, and other Christian denominations only slightly less so. I think my problems with Catholicism started when they forced Galileo to recant, and it's only gone downhill from there. No, Christianity in general and the Catholic Church in specific are really very easy to hate.
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It was amazing this big push against the catholic church because of a few pedophiles.
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Are you saying that the pedophilia scandal wasn't a problem? They serially molested young boys for years, and the Church covered for them! The Vatican actually took steps to protect them! And you think this is somehow
right?!.
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It was all a big push to discredit the church by anti-religion liberals.
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Two points. First off, it doesn't take much to discredit the Catholic Church. Here, I'll show you. Since the Dark Ages, the Catholic Church has clung to the notion of papal infallibility. Basically, it says that the Pope speaks for God, so the Pope is always right. Well, long long ago, the Pope forced Galileo Galilei to recant his belief that the Earth actually circled the Sun, which was in direct contrast to the officially Church-sanctioned dogma that the Earth was the center of the universe.
Now, of course, we know better. Which means the Pope was wrong. But the Church, I think, has never admitted it. It has never actually said it erred, because to do so would shoot papal infallibility right in the foot. Well, shit. There goes the Vatican's credibility. And that's just for openers.
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The church doesn't hate gays either.
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I'm sure you're right in general principle, but it's telling that this is the first openly gay bishop in history. It's equally telling that the message from so-called Christians of all stripes, all over the world, is that gays are all headed straight to hell. Example: The Reverend Fred Phelps and his entire congregation, just for starters.
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In fact as far as I understand the christian religion there should be no problem with gay bishops/priests/lay people, for the sin is in the act/lifestyle not just by merely being gay. Priests are supposed to be celibate straight or gay alike, so it really isn't an issue.
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Not every Christian strain requires its priests to be celibate. Celibacy, by the way, means that the priest cannot marry. Chastity is probably the word you're looking for. So in other words, you're allowed to be gay, but you can never ever take the mate you choose, nor can you ever consummate a relationship in the same way a straight priest would be able to (sect dependent, of course). That, sir, is outright bigotry.
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It seems like you people are well on your way to changing our cultures norm of how we view homosexuality,
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This is only the beginning. I just can't wait to hear the screams of anguish when gay marriage is legalized. And the best part is that I'm not even gay. But I'm very gratified to know that steps are being taken to eradicate this particular form of bigotry.
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However I do have a problem when you people go after the church and those who don't agree with it, they have the right to not agree with it... In fact they have the right to HATE, and thats cool aslong as the hate doesn't turn into physical harm or discrimination.
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You mean hate and discrimination like that which gays have been subjected to for so long? A reckoning is coming...