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I have the 712s and the HP4 716s on two different cars, and these are excellent tires at any price. The snow and wet traction of both is great, and for the 712, it's truly remarkable since it is supposed to be a high performance summer tire. They are both very quiet, and with phenomenal treadlife.
High performance types don't really like the 712s due to weight and its good but not great dry traction, but that's what the mx is for anyway.
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