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On the other hand Dragon, you make it sound as though there is something better about not seeing that there is something more or unifying. There's no way to present the issue without a hint of bias. The important thing I am trying to say is that there is nothing you can really say to a secure athiest or agnostic to make them believe in god just like there is nothing you can say to a secure religious individual to make them not believe. However, if you are dead set on testing someones security in there stance you are going to have to try to show them that there is something more because thats the key first step, just as if you wanted to convert a religious person you'd have to show them that there isn't.
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