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j8ear · 07-31-2003, 06:41 AM

It's interesting how often proponents of gay unions quickly and without hesitation label those opposed as basing that conviction on hatred and injustice. I fail to see the connection. I concur that some hate and some prefer injustice, but using that fallacious logic immediately puts you in the EXACT same class as the catholic 'empire' you so summarily dismis for it's 'underhanded' tactic of guilt. Touche.

Exasperation with the movement failing to persuade mainstream populations with your point of view does not entitle you to hypocracy. Of course nothing prevents you from hypocracy so plug right along with that course of discourse. I doubt your goal will be realized with the methodology.

In anticipation of the sure to follow question: "If it's not hate and injustice to be against my point of view on gay's, what is it, you fucking homophobic, hate filled, intolerant bigot?"

I reply:

It is difficulty coming to terms with actions which fly in the face of practical understanding. The normal/natural animal experience. The impracticality, and procreative uselessness of the activity. Everyone can cite anecdotel evidence about hatred, intolerance and bigotry...even blonde haired white christian males. In fact just about everyone does (people just don't listen to bhwcm). I think your incorrect...MOST people DO NOT want gay unions, yet most people do not hate homosexuals, . In fact I think most people dont give a flying fuck about homosexuals. Most could care less about their cause and their tactics are not helping.

I challenge you, that in order to win your battle, you will need to elevate your tactics...rise above the fray...and logically, turn ignorance into knowledge, misunderstanding into acceptance. Insulting and alienating your audience does not help your cause.

Oh and good for the HRC...they are a huge segment of the population, like senior citizens, or hispanics, only bigger. They have an issue and they are lobbying for action in support of their position. THAT IS the democratic way.

Sep of church and state ONLY goes one way...State out church. NOT VICE Versa. We do have method for changing things in the US, constitutionally. A new method has surface in the form of judicial activism, under the auspices of "the right thing to do." Although the actual method involves 2/3 of congress and ratification of ALL 50 states, I believe.

Another $.02 offered...peace,

bear

07-31-2003, 06:41 AM	#31 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	It's interesting how often proponents of gay unions quickly and without hesitation label those opposed as basing that conviction on hatred and injustice. I fail to see the connection. I concur that some hate and some prefer injustice, but using that fallacious logic immediately puts you in the EXACT same class as the catholic 'empire' you so summarily dismis for it's 'underhanded' tactic of guilt. Touche. Exasperation with the movement failing to persuade mainstream populations with your point of view does not entitle you to hypocracy. Of course nothing prevents you from hypocracy so plug right along with that course of discourse. I doubt your goal will be realized with the methodology. In anticipation of the sure to follow question: "If it's not hate and injustice to be against my point of view on gay's, what is it, you fucking homophobic, hate filled, intolerant bigot?" I reply: It is difficulty coming to terms with actions which fly in the face of practical understanding. The normal/natural animal experience. The impracticality, and procreative uselessness of the activity. Everyone can cite anecdotel evidence about hatred, intolerance and bigotry...even blonde haired white christian males. In fact just about everyone does (people just don't listen to bhwcm). I think your incorrect...MOST people DO NOT want gay unions, yet most people do not hate homosexuals, . In fact I think most people dont give a flying fuck about homosexuals. Most could care less about their cause and their tactics are not helping. I challenge you, that in order to win your battle, you will need to elevate your tactics...rise above the fray...and logically, turn ignorance into knowledge, misunderstanding into acceptance. Insulting and alienating your audience does not help your cause. Oh and good for the HRC...they are a huge segment of the population, like senior citizens, or hispanics, only bigger. They have an issue and they are lobbying for action in support of their position. THAT IS the democratic way. Sep of church and state ONLY goes one way...State out church. NOT VICE Versa. We do have method for changing things in the US, constitutionally. A new method has surface in the form of judicial activism, under the auspices of "the right thing to do." Although the actual method involves 2/3 of congress and ratification of ALL 50 states, I believe. Another $.02 offered...peace, bear __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission. Last edited by j8ear; 07-31-2003 at 06:55 AM..