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Old 07-30-2003, 09:53 PM   #134 (permalink)
ctembreull
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Originally posted by debaser
Well the G11 was tested in 1990, and nothing has been done since. So that is how fast technology advances...
Not true. The G11 has been updated several times and was tested as recently as two years ago, according to a brief research run - apparently, it's close to being a candidate for a next-generation assault rifle for the U.S. Army.

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California has the lowest gun ownership per capita as a result of its restrictive gun laws, yet it still has the highest rate of gun violence.
What part about restrictive not necessarily equaling better was I not clear on?

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The point is that criminals don't follow the law, so a law designed to keep guns out of their hands would be pretty pointless. There are thousands of gun laws on the books, very few of which are enforced. Yet someone always crys for more.
There's more than one way to use the law to lessen the number of guns available to criminals. Example: more stringent background checks, with longer waiting periods, and more intelligent recordkeeping (more on the order of state DMVs) will dry up any of the legal channels, and there are other things to deal with the illegal ones. I was reading recently about means of linking biometrics and guns, actually - sounded moderately interesting. Still not ready for prime time, but promising all the same. The point is that there's more than one way to skin a cat, and rejecting ideas simply because they would require some work to implement is nothing short of defeatist.

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Gun safety should be part of the health course taught at all high schools. Is it not a public safety issue? That way you would drasticly reduce the number of accidental shootings, which makes up a high proportion of the number you quoted earlier.
Some states teach driver education in schools, but only at the elective level. If it were handled similarly, I'd favor it. Besides that, focusing education on schools leaves out the huge percentage of the population who are out of school. Hence the need for elective programs for adults. Either way, a certification program and liability insurance should be mandatory, as well as registration (as mentioned earlier). Anything less is simply half-assed.

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Well, I am a bit confused about the "wooden workalike" bit.

If it is in fact made of wood, it would not function as a firearm.
Reductio ad absurdum? Somewhat silly. I've never yet heard of a gun whose moving parts are wood. But stock and body, that's another issue. Y'know, the way people used to make 'em before polymers, carbonates, and sheet-steel.

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If someone makes a weapon with the features you described it would not be an assault weapon. There is no gray area.
Yes it would be functionally identical and every bit as lethal, but it would not be an assault weapon.
According to that law. But according to any objective standard of reality? That's an assault weapon. Any attempt to claim otherwise is purely delusional.

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Do you see now why I think most gun legistlation is a fucking joke?
Do you see now why I'm more content to rely upon my own definition? You know, that definition which you'd spent so long trying to convince me was purely arbitrary in the face of a law which you have now turned around and repudiated.

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If someone uses a gun in the commision of a crime, sentence them to 20 years without parole. That will solve the problem.
I'd say 40. Life if the victim dies.
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