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Old 07-29-2003, 10:58 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Originally posted by ctembreull
A question to answer your own: Are teflon rounds, caseless rounds, and tracer rounds military-grade ammunition? If so, then why on earth should they become available under any circumstances to anyone outside the military?
In my military experience I have never encountered teflon or caseless ammunition. As far as I know they are not used my the US military. As for tracers, why would you want them? They are no more powerful than a normal round, in fact less so. The military uses ball ammo, that is a jacketed round that is far less lethal than an equivalent calibur of hunting round that you can buy at Walmart.

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Yep, Hinckley was a murderer. How, exactly, does that invalidate what he said?
Very well:

"God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it." - Daniel Webster

Now who holds more weight?


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Hmm. Criminals get guns. People get guns to protect themselves. More criminals get more powerful guns because people are getting guns. More people get more powerful guns because more criminals get more powerful guns. That's an arms race. It's on a slightly smaller scale than the origin of the term, but it scales well enough. The Cold War didn't erupt into a nuclear exchange in large part because of the idea of mutually assured destruction. The human mind tends to recoil from the idea of depopulating the globe. Statistics indicate it's not nearly such a stretch to depopulate a small section of the street. So if everyone gets guns because everyone else is, even if just for protection, it's only gonna take one good bar brawl to touch off a moderate-scale battle. At this rate, the metaphysical difference between Oakland and Beirut will be negligible sooner, rather than later.
But criminals don't get "bigger" guns. They just move to places where no-one is armed (like California). There isn't an "arms race". Criminals use whatever they can get their hands on. I am just as comfortable carrying a .38 revolver as I am any other gun. I am not worried that someones weapon may be "bigger" than mine...

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Because as safe as you claim to be, for every person as safe as you, there's at least one more, probably more, who is not. Time to enforce safety, much in the fashion we do with automotive vehicles. Tests, licensing, and insurance would be an acceptable start.
The world is jamm packed with idiot. I think a solid education is an acceptable start.

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The only people I can think of who would say that gun legislation is black and white are those who are either naive, hermits living in cages, and hopeless idealists. Tax laws are supposed to be in "black and white", too, you know.
We are were talking about the legal definition of an assault weapon, remember. It is very specific. Stop dodging the issue.
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I'm so happy for you that you like your guns so much. You'll hopefully pardon those of us who do *not* subscribe to Mao Tse-tung's philosophy that "power grows from the barrel of a gun." I think I'd rather spend my time and energy making life safer without having to resort to packing heat.
I think this goes back to the hopeless idealist reference earlier...
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