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Old 07-28-2003, 08:49 PM   #87 (permalink)
ctembreull
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Originally posted by seretogis
So conservative that they overturned sodomy laws? By the way, the clarification of the second amendment was done in 1939 I believe, I have absolutely no idea of the make-up of the Supreme Court back then.
Neither do I. But I think it's very, VERY obvious that the modern Court is drastically conservative in nature. But that's neither here nor there, except to provide some context for my frequent and vehement disagreements with the Supreme Court.

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I would interpret "well regulated" as meaning that those able-bodied Americans able to defend their country should be trained in the usage of said firearm and how to defend themselves with it.
I agree insofar in that gun training really ought to be mandatory; we license people to drive. We make them take classes, tests, and acquire insurance. Maybe there's a solution that way. After all, a car improperly used is as much a threat to life and limb as a gun improperly used. What an interesting idea... an actual licensing process and liability insurance.


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Criminals do not register their guns. As for "well, it sure as hell can't hurt", wasting time on something which hasn't worked in the past is indeed harmful. It's energy, time, resources that could have been used eficiently elsewhere.
I think you might have missed where I pointed out that there are potential solutions in "fingerprinting" guns and so on. This could actually be done in the factory, providing law enforcement at least someplace to start. The whole point here is to begin collecting data on guns. If we're not to remove them - and I'll say it again, we shouldn't, then it is not a bad idea to know as much as possible about each gun out there. Sure, incomplete data happens. But you can't say it would be a failure, because it's never been tried before.

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Are law-abiding citizens less capable of using a firearm with a 13 round clip than a 12 round clip?
The number here is based on casual observation of guns. I won't touch them myself, but I do pay some small amount of attention. It seems that most legit handguns have 12-round clips at most. You may call that arbitrary, and there you have it. But that's what happens when you use a personal definition. Believe me, I'm not a lawyer, and reciting the gun laws is quite beyond my powers of recollection. The definition I gave was simply culled from my observation of guns.

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Even if you thought that guns should be eliminated, it simply is not possible. All that a full-out disarmament would do is take guns from law-abiding citizens and provide a slew of easy victims for the already-armed criminals.
Good thing I don't think guns should be eliminated, huh? I thought I was fairly clear on that one...

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I absolutely agree with you here. Using a gun in the commission of a crime should cause the punishment to be much more severe. Robbing a bank with a paper bag is not nearly as much of a threat to life as robbing a bank with a gun.
On that we can agree... and I hope that things like this can form the foundation of future gun legislation. But I'm still hoping for an ounce of prevention to go with that pound of cure.
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