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Old 07-28-2003, 06:52 AM   #53 (permalink)
cph44
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Originally posted by archer2371
WTF??! I wasn't talking about a singularity, I'm talking about matter, matter must be created by something that is not natural as the First Law of Thermodynamics states. ... Surely a person who is obviously well versed in the laws of physics must concede this point.
Actually, let me bounce that "WTF??!" right back at you. The First Law of Thermodynamics is not so much a law as a principle or rule of thum deduced from observations >>OF THE PHYSICAL WORLD AS IT EXISTS TODAY!!<< I think you got sidetracked by physicists arrogant use of the word "law." The First Law of Thermodynamics has weird exceptions at the quantum scale, where particles and antiparticles simply pop in and out of existence for extremely short times. Near a blackhole, this can actually result in the creation of matter (in a weird sense) when a particle/anti-particle pair come into existence near the event horizon of a black hole. The anti-particle is consumed by the black hole and the other particle escapes happily into the universe.

Though I concede that this process results in the decreased mass of the black hole (I don't understand why) would you argue that these particle/anti-particle pairs had to be created by a divine creator? It may be true, but who are you to claim that science "proves it must be so"? Many of the brightest physicists of this generation are spending their careers trying to understand the nature and genesis of matter, and you think that a principle of thermodynamics that you learned in high school has rocketed you to the secrets of the universe?

God may be real, but leave science out of it. God is about miracles, and miracles have no place in science.
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