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oh god there horrible. I friend of mine is friends with one of them and has a video of them playing there back yard before the real video of them playing in there back yard came out. They used to be huge punks, or dress like huge punks, and act all hardcore all the tiem, but then didnt even like the music, they start up and play there particularly crappy brand of emo and sell out to the record company like most emo bands do, and then people fall for the act and buy thier cds.
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