Well, I might as well throw in another .02$
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Originally posted by feloniouspunk
I've always thought that the statement "Our thoughts shape reality" confused the issue a bit. Its not that our thoughts have any effect on reality itself, but rather that we each individually shape a reality for ourselves, based off of our senses and experiences.
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This isn't quite right. The 'phenomenal' world (the world we create through the categories and the schemata) is real, it's just not reality in itself. This is why Kant spends so much time trying to prove the validity of the categories, among other things. If they are not valid, then the phenomenal world isn't real, and that's a consequence he wants to avoid.
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A side note on Kantian ethics: Kant believed that a man who did the right thing because he had a duty to do so even if he didn't truly want to was more moral than a man who wanted to do the right thing.
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I don't think this is right (though it is the most common reading of Kant.) It seems to me that the important thing for Kant is whether or not we would act morally if we were not so inclined, so that, in order to show this more clearly, he uses cases where we are acting against our inclinations.
This can be seen from Kant's discussion of the 'holy will' later in the Second Critique. He writes that the ideal will is the holy will, a will that always acts according to the categorical imperative both out of duty and inclination. Not that any human beings have a holy will, but it is clearly set up as a goal.
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I'm pretty rusty on my Hegel. I would argue that Sartre wasn't pessimistic at all though. I think he's misunderstood by most philosophy students, especially those steeped in the analytical tradition.
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Well, guilty as charged -- I was raised in the analytic tradition, though I've since left it. I suspect, though, that our disagreement here is simply regarding the use of the word 'pessimistic'. I only mean that Sartre does not think it possible to unify the 'in-itself' and the 'for-itself', while Hegel thinks that it is possible to do so. Whether or not Sartre is pessimistic overall is a different question. (Actually, my suspicion is yes here as well. See my sig file.)
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This isn't quite that simple. Plato had some pretty big ideas on his own. His major work, The Republic, was all him. He just continued using Socrates as a mouthpiece in his writing. There are a lot of important ideas about political philosophy raised in The Republic.
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It's always unclear exactly what's Plato and what's Socrates in the early to middle Plato. I was taught, ages ago, that early Plato is pretty close to Socrates and middle Plato is a bit more muddled. But the Republic is middle Plato, so it still, as far as I know, bears Socratic fingerprints. "The Statesman" would be Plato's own, mature views on the subject.
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Aristotle was Plato's student as Plato was Socrates'. Aristotlian thought ruled the ancient and medevial worlds. Almost all of it is junk. He's still important to read though, because his ideas influenced so many. They can be seen influencing philosophers for 2000 years. Not too shabby.
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Eh, not all of it is junk. His views on choice are as good as any I've come across, and his views on ethics better than most. But you're right that he's very important. He's really, more than Plato even, the founder of Philosophy as a discipline.
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I can tell by reading this bit here you're not a political philosopher.
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Oh, don't dismiss me so quickly. I'm aware he's more complex than that, but I was trying to describe him in one sentence. And no, I'm not a political philosopher, but I'm more of a political philosopher than, say, an epistemologist.
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I've always been rather found of Sartre's refutation of Descartes' "I think therefore I am." Sartre said "You think, therefore you have thoughts."
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I like Husserl's better. "I think, therefore there is thought."
Thanks felonius! It's nice to think about some of these thinkers I haven't thought about in a while.