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ViriiK · 07-25-2003, 08:47 PM

You thought I was a republican? Man you thought wrong... More inflammatory comment removed

Clinton I say again did nothing with the current military.. Today's military isn't Clinton's military... Nor will those that served under him give him credits for it... They will give GHWB and Reagan alot of the credit. The current weaponary we have today are still the same that we had in the 1980's and early 1990's. What is new that Clinton did? So tell me.

Also today is 2003 which means Bush has been in office for 2+ years and on average most of the United States military are at the average of 21-25 which most signed up during the Bush adminstration for the GI Bill which puts them through College.. My friend signed up in April 2001 and currently is serving in South Korea. How old is he you ask? 23...

I am the son of a current United States Armed Force member who has served his country since 1981. Nor will he give respect or salute to his former Commander-In-Chief. He holds the most upper respect for Ronald Reagan and his quote "Peace through Strength" which successfully worked and destroyed the Soviet Union itself. Today Russia is still on it's reconstruction phase but who said it'll be done in a day..

The ABM Treaty only answers to the threat of nuclear attack from rogue states such as North Korea, Iran, and perhaps China. I don't fucking care what you think about China.. but I don't trust the communist government there. My friend who works for Boeing is a mechanical engineer for the Anti-Ballistic Missile System and he's a brilliant rocket scientist (meaning science is a knack for him, nothing to do with rockets). He moved from Vancouver, WA to the burning Arizona desert because that's where they test the missile defense system as well as out in the Pacific Ocean. Today we are seeing progress as the Missile System get advanced and are seeing products.. Example: YAL-A1
http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...ndex.html#abl1 and they already have the prototype ready... Consider this project as a benefit to those companies working on the project and a boost to our military morale in the building up of our defense. You have to remember that we are to give the best we have to offer to our military in the world...

Now back to Kyoto.. Obviously you don't have a degree in climatology neither in business. You have to know that the economy is dependent on mostly individual businesses. When you kill the supplier which are the major polluters. They all suffer and what do you get.. Economic breakdown and depression. Hence

Listen to this

"Originally Introduced at the 1992 U.N. Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro and backed by U.N. bureaucrats, the Kyoto "global warming" accords (never ratified by the U.S.) would require America to dramatically cut CO2 emissions.

That would mean radically curtailing every imaginable industrial activity - from production of electricity to use of cars and trucks to farming to manufacturing. However, Second and Third World countries such as India and China, which have far more polluting industries, would be exempt.

The net effect: U.S. manufacturers would be forced either to bankrupt themselves by complying or to leave America, taking millions of jobs with them and plunging the West into poverty. At the same time, global pollution would actually increase!"

Now on to the economics.. You do have to remember that corporations started cooking the books back to 1997. Now what's the problem here. Where's the SEC in all this. The purpose of the SEC is to kick the companies ass and make sure they're paying their debts off, not ripping off their shareholders, making sure there is no foul play and so on.

Another thing. Why did clinton launch his Anti-Microsoft campaign when we were faced by terrorist attacks over time? Today we're still debating with Microsoft and to no avail.

Now to Kenneth Lay. He has the right to a fair trial and the right to be quiet. If you can build up a case against him with him pleading the fifth. Then they can do so. You know it was the Bush Administration's SEC that tried to build the case against Enron's staff. The problem is the shredding of documentations which fails to build a case on. As for the rest. There are people in jail now for cooking the books such as Andrew Fastow the Chief Financial Officer of the company.

You think Terrorism is an easy task. Boy you are fucking wrong dude. "Oh geez searching the global is easy! He's in Antaratica under a pile of snow, We'll just come there and easily slap the cuffs on." As for Clinton. Yes he was soft on terrorist but I don't have the same view on Bush or should I say Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld is not the man to fool around with because everyone thinks he's joking but he's not. This is the man that served his time in the United States Navy and knows what the fuck he's doing. As for Gitmo Bay, you do realize that those aren't people that aren't being picked out at random from Afghanistan. They are people that are defined as illegal Combatants that does not respect the rules of war (Rules of war as in No CW, BW, or NW for one's gain except for defense and etc). If you want to know what illegal combatant is. Go read the Geneva Convention Charter which defines Legal Combatant.

1 Fucking Sentence and Blair is already defending his own intelligence community for allowing that statement through... And you think that searching Iraq is a piece of cake too? Dude.. Do me a favor and let's say your bike got stolen in Texas. Go try to find it in the state of Texas. Since that Texas is the size of Iraq. Besides I don't trust the french, germans or the Russians nowadays dealing with those weapons anymore.

Afghanistan isn't over for your fucking information.

Vietnam was a whole different aspect because the soldiers were demoralized by the politics going on back home. Plus they were denied capability to attack the North Vietnamese Capital which would deliver a blow to their power control system. Just like we did in World War II and Korea. You attack their factories, supply lines, point of access for reinforcement. You are more likely to choke the enemy and prevent him from winning.. The only problem was politics back home denied that. Go look it up. I gaurantee you that you'll find results.

Yes the president can bend the rules just as every adminstration can.
Now on to Osama Bin Laden. You do remember the captured of Yousef? Who was supplied by Bin Laden and failed a plot to kill 4,000 people by blowing up 12-Bound Airliners. Now where's the problem here dude? We had prior evidence that he was plotting to kill Americans. We had the proof to hold Bin Laden. Defending American Citizen comes first for the government.

Okay you know that 37 million people are already abusing a controlled subtance. You know what that is. Alcohol. With 1 million drunk driving cases a year. You get me. A YEAR! I think one too many controlled subtance is enough. Cocaine is way worst than alcohol and I will not tolerate it.

Now. You do remember the Non-Profileration Treaty? Surely this has somehow eluded your brain. North Korea agreed and signed it and during this period was in violation of what they signed. Now does that show a great sign of trust? I think not. Same concept applies to Iraq.

With the war over for 2 months now in Iraq and democracy on the way. You are idiotic to think Iraq can be rebuilt in a day. It takes time and adjustment. Germany in this case. It took one fucking decade to get Germany back on track when the country was completely devestated after WWII.

Afghanistan is the same example..

Still more inflammatory comment removed

07-25-2003, 08:47 PM	#94 (permalink)
ViriiK Upright Location: My foot up your ass behind you.	You thought I was a republican? Man you thought wrong... More inflammatory comment removed Clinton I say again did nothing with the current military.. Today's military isn't Clinton's military... Nor will those that served under him give him credits for it... They will give GHWB and Reagan alot of the credit. The current weaponary we have today are still the same that we had in the 1980's and early 1990's. What is new that Clinton did? So tell me. Also today is 2003 which means Bush has been in office for 2+ years and on average most of the United States military are at the average of 21-25 which most signed up during the Bush adminstration for the GI Bill which puts them through College.. My friend signed up in April 2001 and currently is serving in South Korea. How old is he you ask? 23... I am the son of a current United States Armed Force member who has served his country since 1981. Nor will he give respect or salute to his former Commander-In-Chief. He holds the most upper respect for Ronald Reagan and his quote "Peace through Strength" which successfully worked and destroyed the Soviet Union itself. Today Russia is still on it's reconstruction phase but who said it'll be done in a day.. The ABM Treaty only answers to the threat of nuclear attack from rogue states such as North Korea, Iran, and perhaps China. I don't fucking care what you think about China.. but I don't trust the communist government there. My friend who works for Boeing is a mechanical engineer for the Anti-Ballistic Missile System and he's a brilliant rocket scientist (meaning science is a knack for him, nothing to do with rockets). He moved from Vancouver, WA to the burning Arizona desert because that's where they test the missile defense system as well as out in the Pacific Ocean. Today we are seeing progress as the Missile System get advanced and are seeing products.. Example: YAL-A1 http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...ndex.html#abl1 and they already have the prototype ready... Consider this project as a benefit to those companies working on the project and a boost to our military morale in the building up of our defense. You have to remember that we are to give the best we have to offer to our military in the world... Now back to Kyoto.. Obviously you don't have a degree in climatology neither in business. You have to know that the economy is dependent on mostly individual businesses. When you kill the supplier which are the major polluters. They all suffer and what do you get.. Economic breakdown and depression. Hence Listen to this "Originally Introduced at the 1992 U.N. Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro and backed by U.N. bureaucrats, the Kyoto "global warming" accords (never ratified by the U.S.) would require America to dramatically cut CO2 emissions. That would mean radically curtailing every imaginable industrial activity - from production of electricity to use of cars and trucks to farming to manufacturing. However, Second and Third World countries such as India and China, which have far more polluting industries, would be exempt. The net effect: U.S. manufacturers would be forced either to bankrupt themselves by complying or to leave America, taking millions of jobs with them and plunging the West into poverty. At the same time, global pollution would actually increase!" Now on to the economics.. You do have to remember that corporations started cooking the books back to 1997. Now what's the problem here. Where's the SEC in all this. The purpose of the SEC is to kick the companies ass and make sure they're paying their debts off, not ripping off their shareholders, making sure there is no foul play and so on. Another thing. Why did clinton launch his Anti-Microsoft campaign when we were faced by terrorist attacks over time? Today we're still debating with Microsoft and to no avail. Now to Kenneth Lay. He has the right to a fair trial and the right to be quiet. If you can build up a case against him with him pleading the fifth. Then they can do so. You know it was the Bush Administration's SEC that tried to build the case against Enron's staff. The problem is the shredding of documentations which fails to build a case on. As for the rest. There are people in jail now for cooking the books such as Andrew Fastow the Chief Financial Officer of the company. You think Terrorism is an easy task. Boy you are fucking wrong dude. "Oh geez searching the global is easy! He's in Antaratica under a pile of snow, We'll just come there and easily slap the cuffs on." As for Clinton. Yes he was soft on terrorist but I don't have the same view on Bush or should I say Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld is not the man to fool around with because everyone thinks he's joking but he's not. This is the man that served his time in the United States Navy and knows what the fuck he's doing. As for Gitmo Bay, you do realize that those aren't people that aren't being picked out at random from Afghanistan. They are people that are defined as illegal Combatants that does not respect the rules of war (Rules of war as in No CW, BW, or NW for one's gain except for defense and etc). If you want to know what illegal combatant is. Go read the Geneva Convention Charter which defines Legal Combatant. 1 Fucking Sentence and Blair is already defending his own intelligence community for allowing that statement through... And you think that searching Iraq is a piece of cake too? Dude.. Do me a favor and let's say your bike got stolen in Texas. Go try to find it in the state of Texas. Since that Texas is the size of Iraq. Besides I don't trust the french, germans or the Russians nowadays dealing with those weapons anymore. Afghanistan isn't over for your fucking information. Vietnam was a whole different aspect because the soldiers were demoralized by the politics going on back home. Plus they were denied capability to attack the North Vietnamese Capital which would deliver a blow to their power control system. Just like we did in World War II and Korea. You attack their factories, supply lines, point of access for reinforcement. You are more likely to choke the enemy and prevent him from winning.. The only problem was politics back home denied that. Go look it up. I gaurantee you that you'll find results. Yes the president can bend the rules just as every adminstration can. Now on to Osama Bin Laden. You do remember the captured of Yousef? Who was supplied by Bin Laden and failed a plot to kill 4,000 people by blowing up 12-Bound Airliners. Now where's the problem here dude? We had prior evidence that he was plotting to kill Americans. We had the proof to hold Bin Laden. Defending American Citizen comes first for the government. Okay you know that 37 million people are already abusing a controlled subtance. You know what that is. Alcohol. With 1 million drunk driving cases a year. You get me. A YEAR! I think one too many controlled subtance is enough. Cocaine is way worst than alcohol and I will not tolerate it. Now. You do remember the Non-Profileration Treaty? Surely this has somehow eluded your brain. North Korea agreed and signed it and during this period was in violation of what they signed. Now does that show a great sign of trust? I think not. Same concept applies to Iraq. With the war over for 2 months now in Iraq and democracy on the way. You are idiotic to think Iraq can be rebuilt in a day. It takes time and adjustment. Germany in this case. It took one fucking decade to get Germany back on track when the country was completely devestated after WWII. Afghanistan is the same example.. Still more inflammatory comment removed Last edited by JadziaDax; 07-26-2003 at 08:34 AM..