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Old 07-25-2003, 08:21 AM   #31 (permalink)
asaris
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I read somewhere (I think Kip Thorne's book, Black Holes and Time Warps) that an oscillating universe is impossible. Even if the universe collapses into a big crunch, there won't be another big bang. Can't remember off-hand exactly why.

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Originally posted by Pennington
God can't be used to answer the question of where the universe came from for one simple reason. God had to have come from someplace as well. To say that he always was and always is is the same as saying that the universe always was and always is.
Well...
1. So? The main problem with the universe always existing is that there seems to be a good deal of evidence that this claim is false. Since Theism is not falsifiable, this isn't really a problem for it. (Unless you think it's non-falsifiability is a problem, which is beyond the scope of this thread.)
2. The difference between God and the Universe is that God is supposed to be self-caused. The Universe is not. In other words, God is his own explanation, but the Universe needs some explanation outside of itself, even if it's always existed. (Why is there something rather than nothing?)
3. In traditional Christianity, God is held to be outside time. Within this view, the question "What was there before there was the universe?" doesn't make sense -- there was no 'when' before God created the universe.
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