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Zeld2.0 · 07-23-2003, 10:29 PM

Whoa whoa whoa Oklahoma city was defenitely not related to Muslim terrorists - terrorist no doubt but that one was so unexpected from ANOTHER american i doubt any damn president is responsible

these were just bombings as well, numerous hostages and hijackings and what not occured during the 80's

I hate to bring this up because I like Reagan but one of the things about his administration that I did in teh end not like was the entire dealing with Iran thing - give em their weapons and ask for lower terrorist activities against the U.S. I would say though that it factored into the entire deal.

Not to mention the Cold War at the time made many groups realize it couldn't get what it wanted not with the Soviet Union and United States still at odds - no point in ruling over a parking lot.

And I say again, had GWB or Bush Sr. been running the show at the time, not much probably would've been done simply because those situations seemed so random and no one really believed it was a calculated ordeal.

The reason 9/11 woke up so man ywas because it was so surreal - suddenly a -coordinated- attack that killed thousands made people realize it was serious.

And yes it woke up the gov't and would've woken up anyone at the helm unlike any other event.

The argument that it was Cliton's fault can be said to go all the way back to Reagan, then Carter, then Ford, Nixon, and keep going if you have to.

Sure shit happened under Clinton but the wakeup call should've occured long ago during the hostage crises of the 80's and also the one of '79 to '80 - not to mention long before in Munich, and all over Israel. The U.S. long ago already shrugged it off as nothing - or a foreign affair - hell even Clinton launched missiles against percieved threats - but who the hell would know that Al-Qaeda and what not is supposed to be the great network of the world. Now that blame can't fall on a man because those events happened, if the damn inteligence cant tell him I doubt you anyone would suddenly wake up one night and say "oh i got it, there gonna attack so-and-so because there just has to be a great terrorist network that doesn't exist right now"...

07-23-2003, 10:29 PM	#86 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Whoa whoa whoa Oklahoma city was defenitely not related to Muslim terrorists - terrorist no doubt but that one was so unexpected from ANOTHER american i doubt any damn president is responsible these were just bombings as well, numerous hostages and hijackings and what not occured during the 80's I hate to bring this up because I like Reagan but one of the things about his administration that I did in teh end not like was the entire dealing with Iran thing - give em their weapons and ask for lower terrorist activities against the U.S. I would say though that it factored into the entire deal. Not to mention the Cold War at the time made many groups realize it couldn't get what it wanted not with the Soviet Union and United States still at odds - no point in ruling over a parking lot. And I say again, had GWB or Bush Sr. been running the show at the time, not much probably would've been done simply because those situations seemed so random and no one really believed it was a calculated ordeal. The reason 9/11 woke up so man ywas because it was so surreal - suddenly a -coordinated- attack that killed thousands made people realize it was serious. And yes it woke up the gov't and would've woken up anyone at the helm unlike any other event. The argument that it was Cliton's fault can be said to go all the way back to Reagan, then Carter, then Ford, Nixon, and keep going if you have to. Sure shit happened under Clinton but the wakeup call should've occured long ago during the hostage crises of the 80's and also the one of '79 to '80 - not to mention long before in Munich, and all over Israel. The U.S. long ago already shrugged it off as nothing - or a foreign affair - hell even Clinton launched missiles against percieved threats - but who the hell would know that Al-Qaeda and what not is supposed to be the great network of the world. Now that blame can't fall on a man because those events happened, if the damn inteligence cant tell him I doubt you anyone would suddenly wake up one night and say "oh i got it, there gonna attack so-and-so because there just has to be a great terrorist network that doesn't exist right now"...