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Old 04-23-2003, 04:40 AM   #19 (permalink)
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nope, from what I heard the reaction was quite mixed.
But I assume that you can manipulate the public with editing the reaction of the crowd:

-if all people would have booed, people, who watch it in TV would think "moore is obviously an idiot"
-if all people would have cheered, people would think "maybe he has a point"

that's how the public works, and that's how CNN tries to manipulate.
Ah, you think that the cynical humans of today are that gullible? Interesting...

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That's a fact, dude. Many Arab TV stations showed pictures of dead and wounded Iraqi civilians all the time, blaming every one of them on US troops. They also reported each and every claim by that Iraqi info minister as a fact. To prove my statement, one only has to look at the disappointed reactions after the war: many Arabs said they really thought the Iraqis were winning the war...

And I have seen those broadcasts, I have seen the Al-Jazeera "discussion programs", I have seen the comments made. What I said is what happened. Do not forget that most Arab TV stations are controlled by the governments there, and they'll only show what the government wants to show. With many of those governments decidedly anti-war and anti-American, it is no wonder they focus on the negative side of war.

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Sorry, but people need to see those picture, cause next time they start calling for a war or to "kill em all" they need to know what war is about, they need to now the war is not a video game. Which all those nice pictures people tend to forget that.
Like some other people, you assume that the general population does not know what war is, and does not know that war causes deaths and injuries. That is just silly. People know full well that innocent people will die in a war. Showing dead and injured civilians on the telly does not change that.

Besides, you seem to advocate that we show the "real" side of war, which to you is the suffering. This in itself is a manipulative tactic, which the pro-war side isn't allowed to use. This war also led to scenes of jubilation; do you agree they should be shown as well? What about US troops helping Iraqi people? Or would these scenes be incompatible with the "reality" of war?

If we're going to show everything, we should also show the Iraqi brutality: shooting at their own civilians, executing Iraqi soldiers who want to give up, hiding inside hospitals, mosques, schools... Perhaps even highlight the many things the Iraqi regime did to their own population before the war: torture, random executions, etc. Those images would encourage people to support the war, now wouldn't they?

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Yes, but I also think there were couple a misguided US missiles, anti-aircraft guns don't make such a big explosion. But truth about that will never be presented, the Iraqi government is no more and the US Government has no interest in doing so.
Iraqi SAMs would certainly create such big explosions, as would trucks filled with explosives, or mortars fired at your own population. We don't know (and might never know) who is responsible for some "massacres". Assuming the US did it (as many Arabs seem to do) is just as bad as assuming the Iraqis did it.
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