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Dragon-I've read some Kant, but less that perhaps i should. With out understanding the exact point that he makes, i'll say that it's not a proof against my arguement to claim that there is a natural law. Whatever the source of an absolute, it is a challenge to atheism, since it indicates a moral component with greater authority than us.
as for humanism, the fundamental axiom is "i would not like." Humanity is the final arbiter of morality, and so if another would like to be lied to, you don't really have a claim for wrong when they lie to you. Preferences do not make an absolute.
Human systems, however complete or exhaustive, either point to a reality greater than man (Bhuddism) or are grounded in human preference and not absolute in the way that a Deity is (Humanism, Legal codes, etc...). I don't mean to use this arguement to claim these are wrong-indeed they may be all we have, but i think its important to know that this is one of the ideas we should confront.
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