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Originally posted by chavos
Paper-Way, way off topic. Forget Christianity for a moment...i know this is hard, but try. How can anything be ABSOLUTELY wrong, with out something ABSOLUTE to say that it is wrong? Moral certainties require a God, not to make a claim here about the Christian God.
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Why? The Christian God is incapable of determining moral certainties, as demonstrated by the Bible. So whose the determining authority in your religion?
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To your citation of Genesis-Human sin is contained in the idols and images of God that we construct. I believe that by grace, we have come to understand some of those mistakes... But that is quite independant of the abstract claim that absolutes require an absolute source.
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If your God is incapable of determing absolute morality(otherwise Moses would not be able to talk him out of committing attrocities), how is he supposed to be the authority on it.
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The writer who i am cribbing-i have forgotten his name at the moment-was not a Christian...and writes sympathetically of athiesm, but that is has the challenges, just as theism does.
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Irrelevant.
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Curiously, it seems to be assumed that the Bible is divinely inspired, and cannot contain falsehood. Hogwash. It says that pi is equal to three. Right then and there, it becomes crystal clear that this is a human document. I believe that by further examination, the divine begins to shine through the pages. But please...enough of the literalism. I get it enough from the Jerry Falwell types....
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I agree; the Bible is a flawed document that is incapable of establishing absolutes on morality.
So where does your absolute source of morality come from?