07-21-2003, 08:51 PM
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Psycho
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Originally posted by chavos
Podmore-I don't say you can't have right and wrong. But you can't have absolutes. Something can't be Wrong, in an absolute sense save by some authority greater than mankind were to say so. No God means no absolutes...
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Yet you're able to pick out what's wrong and right in the Bible. I thought the bad stuff that was being espoused as good in the Bible were to be used only as examples of the negative? How do you determine what's bad and what's good?
I quote Mike Wong:
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Originally posted by Mike WongIs morality independent of God, as the humanists claim, or is it subordinate to God, as the fundamentalists believe?
It is at this point in Exodus that we discover the Bible's statement on this issue; God discovers that the people have created an idol and they are worshipping it, so he decides to kill them all. Moses talks him out of it, and in Exodus 32:14, "the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people". Did you notice that? The Lord repented of the evil he was about to do! If morality flows from God and God alone, then why did God need a mortal to stop him from doing evil? Why would God have to repent, if morality is something which flows from his authority and nowhere else? Could it be that the Bible itself acknowledges that morality transcends God and his commandments? It certainly seems that way, particularly when you look back at Genesis 3:22. After Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, God said "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil." Does God say that he creates good and evil? No, he says that he knows good and evil. In other words, good and evil are concepts which are separate from God, and he himself is confessedly capable of evil!
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