my apologies for the delay in response:
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Originally posted by cheerios
satan: there is no black and white right or wrong answer to this. when you look at Goebels advocation of the holocaust (I haven't had the dubious pleasure of reading that one, just grabbing one where I'm pretty sure of hte content), you see it through the filter of your own morality and experiences. The nazi's who read it saw it through a very different filter. To them, it was right. to us, itwas wrong. but are we Correct? who knows. there are many today who would say "no." I'm not advocating racism or genocide here, don't get me wrong. but I'm standing by my point tath you can't seperate a text from it's cultural context.
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So the Slave holders weren't in the wrong because, through their filter, they viewed slavery as acceptable? So the spandiards weren't wrong in killing native americans because they did not view it as wrong.
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because the author has a filter on his eyes, too, and that effects what he writes. and even the bible was written by someone, and that someone was not god, so there is cultural flavoring there. If you refuse to see that flavoring, instead judging a text purely "objectively" which just means by YOUR personal morality, then taht's fine. and in taht case, to you, you are right. but I cannot see through your eyes, and i cannot agree with your morality.
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I was operating that under the assumption that you were in agreement that murder, etc. is wrong. Under such assumptions, we would have been in common agreement over the immorality of certain actions(i.e. religious intollerance, racism, murder, etc.). If those were true, we could view a statement and assess it's morality.
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God ordered Moses to kill people for worshipping false idols. in the old testamate. (damn that's spelled wrong. apologies, scholars). now, as far as i understand it, the old testamate is god slapping down the rules, and the new testamate is jesus telling us how to follow them. so, before jesus came, would it not be fair to assume we were having a hard time w/ this whole rule-following thing? and then, maybe, God may have gotten a bit pissed about this? just like any other caring parent? have you ever been spanked? kinda the same thing.
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Not even close to being the same thing. If God were a parent, child services would be paying him a visit.
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Or so I understand things, and someone w/ more biblical knowledge may come through and bitchslap me down, and that's okay, 'cuz it's not my forte, by any means. BUT, without knowing that the new testimate is the one there to guide OUR actions, today, because that's the whole damn reason Jesus was here in the first place, isn't reading the old testamate kinda silly?
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As I said before, if you disregard the old testament, my statements regarding chrisitanity in this thread do not apply to you.
[/quote] 'cuz all you see is this big bad man in the clouds smiting people and shit when they don't do what he says. and what kind of scary religion is that.[/quote]
It's the sort of religion that a good portion of christians(i.e. fundamentalists) follow.
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you can't judge a religion, or it's morality, based on only one part of the picture. gotta take it all in, man.
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One half of the Bible. A significant portion and unless it's disregarded, it does affect your religion.
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Originally posted by Papermachesatan
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Your moral reasoning is basically flawed, because it absolves people of their overriding responsibilities to mankind in general.
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how is this so? I'm not saying that you should have NO morality, only that if you take it from the bible, then it needs to be taken from the teachings of Jesus, because that's what he came for, and if you are a dedicated christian, you will know that.[/quote]
If you disregard the most repulsive half the of the Bible(Old Testament), you're already better off.