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Originally posted by j8ear
I want to add to lurkettes def. of abnormal. I agree thoroughly with her (presumably?)
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You presume correctly.
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take on abnormal. I do take exception with a value (i.e. harmful or undesireable) or judgement being placed on any of my contributions. I have made none. Perhaps freak and wierdo is a poor choice of words in which to lump groups of people. Maybe 'fringe of society' would have been better. That will probably ruffle some feathers, but GOD DAMN....isn't everyone sick of double talk and PCspeak.
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I hardly think that according people the courtesy of not calling them "freak" or "weirdo" qualifies as double-speak. To say "the fringe of society" would have been a better choice: it's a descriptive term that is pretty much true, as a lot of those people are on the margins - and not a deliberately offensive epithet.
If you want your arguments to be taken seriously and not have your intentions misunderstood, I'd urge you to be a lot more careful with your choice of words. You certainly don't have to be PC around here, and nobody's going to jump on your ass for stating your opinion. Just be sure that the words you write match your ideas or, yes, we will call you to account.
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My point from the beginning is how the FUzUCK can a governement tell a catholic entity to violate it's policies. On the public teet or not. Catholic churches in the US are tax-exmept places of worship...or however they are classified, does that make them subject to government regulation?
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I think someone posted above that in Canada, where these cases happened, Catholic schools are in fact public schools that receive public funding and are therefore subject to anti-discrimination laws.
I think you'll find that most people here agree with you on this point. Where we disagree is when you started spouting nonsense about some revolution against freaks and weirdos like lepers, the mentally ill, and porn stars. ??!??
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I take exception personally when a minority view point is thrust down people's throats with two options: It's MY way and the alternative being labelled intolerant and racists.
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You are absolutely entitled to take this exception. However, I think you'd do well to examine the lives and experiences of the people you seem to decry - the so-called fringes of society - before you start bemoaning the label of intolerance. Nobody's legislating your thoughts and preferences, only your actions. You can dislike a group all you like, but when it comes to denying them rights, well, that's a boundary that's still being drawn, witness this story and the outrage it's causing.
And nobody called you a racist here, I don't think.
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No one wants to be hated...but EVERYONE is hated somewhere, somehow, by someone....in fact everyone HATES too...that's life. It's circular and will probably come back to bite you in the ass. The golden rule stikes again.
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Actually I'm pretty sure the golden rule is something along the lines of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
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Most of you have taken excpetion with my classification as abnormal certain 'types' of people. Even of the lumping of the lot into one group. I understand completely. It was provocative. Your excpetion or even distaste doesn't make it wrong though.
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No, logic makes it wrong. You claimed to be decrying behavior, and most of the "abnormalities" you listed had nothing to do with behavior. You've been beaten up enough for that paragraph and I'm sure you wish you'd chosen other words. I'll leave it.
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I concur too that I am a very confusing person, and apologize for that which I have created. I have remained courteous so far, tried to reason soundly and pointed out were I felt reasoning was unsound, an extension not all that forth coming my way.
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Actually we have taken great pains to reason soundly and point out where we thought reasoning was unsound, and for the most part we have remained courteous in the face of what you admit is a good deal of confusion caused by your injudicious choice of words.
I don't want to discourage you from posting - we need and welcome all points of view here - but if you want your arguments to be taken seriously you should think carefully about what you want to say and then say it in a way that's clear and respectful. Ignore your two seasons of debate training and stop jumping on people!!! Just say what you mean, and you'll be understood.
And Kadath is not a narrow-minded, hate-filled person. He's just understandably fed up with your nonsense in this thread. You make confusing statements and then attack us when we question what you SAID instead of what you MEANT. Instead of taking the criticism to heart and considering whether it might not be valid, you instantly defend yourself with an ad hominem attack on his character. Which is what you've been accusing us of all along. You can see why some of us are a bit frustrated.
I'd honestly love to have you around as part of the crowd - you've clearly got some strong opinions and geep could use some company
but you might think a little longer before you hit "submit."