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j8ear · 07-16-2003, 05:22 PM

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from Daval:
j8ear, you scare the shit out of me. I swear to god. How can someone be so increduously ignorant?
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Could you possbily be more vague with this blatantly ad hominem attack? I appreciate you being scared shitless...I'm not sure it follows that I am therefore ignorant, or even increduosly so, though.

Please elaborate. Try to avoid using any of the many fallacies often presented in these types of discussions.
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from geep:
Is not compassion an endowment from the creator?
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I think not.

Compassion is an emotion. Maybe the 'right to be compassionate' can be endowed, as can be the right NOT to be compassionate.
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from seretogis:
Secondly, there is absolutely no credible connection between pedophilia (or beastiality) and homosexuality. Pedophiles victimize children, often without regard of the child's gender. If you have evidence that states otherwise (that isn't religiously based), I'd like to see it.

and

How is consensual sex between two men at all similar to forced sex between an adult man and a child, and often subsequent killing of the child? I see no similarity here.
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The link as I see it is simple. They are ALL abnormal. As it in not adult/adult/male/female sex. What is so bizarre about homosexuality being abnormal. That's not to say I frown upon it, nor do I celebrate it. No special protections for abnormal behavior, regardless of how benign. This has nothing to do with a victim or victimless activity...it has to do with the activity only. It is abnormal. Outside the norm. Not normally practiced.

Pedophilia is not neccessarily 'forced.' I call that rape. That is also an abnormal sexual behaviour (another equation identified?). I concede that children need to be protected from a developing decision making apparatus, BY PARENTS, Not governments. The 'often subsequent killing' part (not sure about the 'often' part of that assertion) I call murder. Again an abnormal activity.

What happened that things can no longer be normal or abnormal?

I don't hate homosexuals...well, unless your a homosexual asshole, because I'm not particularly fond of assholes. Figuratively here, as in that dude is such an asshole, what an asshole thing to do, or don't be an asshole.

over,

bear

07-16-2003, 05:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Daval: j8ear, you scare the shit out of me. I swear to god. How can someone be so increduously ignorant? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Could you possbily be more vague with this blatantly ad hominem attack? I appreciate you being scared shitless...I'm not sure it follows that I am therefore ignorant, or even increduosly so, though. Please elaborate. Try to avoid using any of the many fallacies often presented in these types of discussions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from geep: Is not compassion an endowment from the creator? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think not. Compassion is an emotion. Maybe the 'right to be compassionate' can be endowed, as can be the right NOT to be compassionate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from seretogis: Secondly, there is absolutely no credible connection between pedophilia (or beastiality) and homosexuality. Pedophiles victimize children, often without regard of the child's gender. If you have evidence that states otherwise (that isn't religiously based), I'd like to see it. and How is consensual sex between two men at all similar to forced sex between an adult man and a child, and often subsequent killing of the child? I see no similarity here. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The link as I see it is simple. They are ALL abnormal. As it in not adult/adult/male/female sex. What is so bizarre about homosexuality being abnormal. That's not to say I frown upon it, nor do I celebrate it. No special protections for abnormal behavior, regardless of how benign. This has nothing to do with a victim or victimless activity...it has to do with the activity only. It is abnormal. Outside the norm. Not normally practiced. Pedophilia is not neccessarily 'forced.' I call that rape. That is also an abnormal sexual behaviour (another equation identified?). I concede that children need to be protected from a developing decision making apparatus, BY PARENTS, Not governments. The 'often subsequent killing' part (not sure about the 'often' part of that assertion) I call murder. Again an abnormal activity. What happened that things can no longer be normal or abnormal? I don't hate homosexuals...well, unless your a homosexual asshole, because I'm not particularly fond of assholes. Figuratively here, as in that dude is such an asshole, what an asshole thing to do, or don't be an asshole. over, bear __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.