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Old 07-10-2003, 11:06 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Dragonlich
Doesn't matter, because it was an *example*. It is commenly understood that Al-Qaida was a major instigator of those Somali riots. Furthermore, in Afghanistan, Al-Qaida/Taliban guys executed quite a few prisoners of war, including at least one US soldier, who fell from a helicopter. Some of the G'bay prisoners have openly threatened to kill their US guards, and any US person they can get their hands on.
No. Soldiers who fought against the Russians in Afghanistan helped train Somalis to use RPGs to shoot down helicopters. They did not incite rioting in Somalia.

Neil Roberts died fighting for the principles the country was founded on and the oath he took to uphold the constitution. Now we are being told the US can waive those rights simply by declaring a person an illegal combatant? Where is the legal precedent for declaring them such? Rather than charging these people with war crimes, as should be done, we have created a legal shell game in which we just warehouse them until an administration with enough balls to actually solve the problem comes along.

As far as prisoners making threats to kill people, I point you to your nearest maximum security prison...

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If you want to fight "them", you have to fight *like* them. And the US is NOT the greatest nation on earth, the Netherlands is.
No, we don't. We hold to the Geneva convention and the Law of Land Warfare. We fight fair, honest, and with the utmost regard to the safety of innocents. We still kick ass every time.

PS - Number of times the Netherlands has liberated the US = 0.

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I don't think there's anything we'll find when we send them to jail - it's just that we don't *have* to send them to jail, because of their legal status. In fact, back in the olde days (2nd World War), spies and saboteurs would probably have been executed right away. These terrorists are a different case altogether, because we cannot execute them (they'd be "martyrs"), we cannot set them free (they'll kill us), and we cannot put them in an ordinary prison (too dangerous). G'bay is the best solution.
Seeing as how most of their names aren't even known, ow would hey be martyrs? Just try them and either let them go or punish them based on the severity of their crime. By changing the standard we only do two things:

1. Reinforce what radical muslims already think about the US (that we are out to get them), and

2. Let them win by forcing the US to curtail its liberties, thus becoming just a bit more like them.

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The fact of the matter is that I'm getting a bit fed up with all this touchy-feely stuff we Westerners are supposed to do, while a bunch of ignorant extremists from the middle-of-nowhere try to kill us all. If they want to fight us, I suggest we give them the fight they want. And I can guarantee that such a war will be rather nasty - contrary to what these guys seem to think, Westerners are not weak and scared - we have a LOT of experience in fighting, way more than they can ever dream of...
Well, if we are going to lower ourselve to their level, why bother even fighting? We can just join them now and hack each other apart with machetes all day. Remember why it is that we are refered to as the "civilized world" in the first place...
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