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Originally posted by Magpie0001
I see what you mean but I dont think you get what a TURNTABLIST (not DJ, there is a difference) does. Take two songs/part of/sounds/anything, change the pitch, order of beats/vocals, add scratches, juggles, transforms, take parts from one & put them in the other & vica versa, repeat & loop all or part of words/lines/verses/Fx/breakdowns/etc & what do you have? I argue that this is simply "a new way of listening to a song"
Listen to Q-Bert, usually a turntablist is using a breaks record that may or may not contain actual music, simply sounds or loops etc.
If 1 turntablist can take two records & make music or indeed 4+ turntablists (a Dj crew eg. X-ecutioners, Scratch Perverts) and can create music where once existed no music where does the song come from?
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Since I didn't fully know what a turntablist actually did, I didn't mention it in my previous post. My distinction was between DJ's who simply club/party mix and those that create their own sound or take their inspiration from other actual musicians (with instruments).
Thanks to your explanation, I now understand what a turntablist does a bit better, but there are still a few things that may not make them true creators. Obviously, if you take more than 1 record and mix portions of them together, you're doing more than any club DJ and need enough talent to do so, which certainly pushes you towards the "musician" category. I was simply saying that those who just modify ONE recording are NOT musicians.
Kid Koala again springs to mind: he remixed and scratched the Jessica Rabbit song from the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit." This does not make him a musician, since all he did was slow down / speed up / scratch parts of the music; however, he did use some heavy sampling for a few of his other works, including taking mundane sounds and putting them in his mixes. This certainly makes him more of a musician, like Akufen (a Montreal DJ whose songs are made exclusively with sound bytes he took from radio stations), which is the point I was trying to make. If someone takes a collection of disparate elements and organises them into something concrete, we could definitely talk about a musician here.